PO106FF vs PO85RD

I hear ya bro! My oldest just ran in and stuck her icy hands on my face - I have no idea why. I guess when she graduates and goes away to college I'll miss things like that - maybe - LOL!
 
JuneBug said:
I hear ya bro! My oldest just ran in and stuck her icy hands on my face - I have no idea why. I guess when she graduates and goes away to college I'll miss things like that - maybe - LOL!
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Sorry for being off-topic ;



You will miss it, and you will annoy the hell out of your college-aged children! I know, I'm in that situation!

Yet, it's just something that they, then have to grow out of.



Believe me, I know, and I'm going to have to grow out of it sooner or later - it's just annoying as hell!

:faint:



I still love my parents though. Most of the time, at least, ;-).



College ftw.
 
I agree Charles, the older I get, the more I realize that having them around is what's keepin me young.



Now - MENZERNA RULES!!!
 
charlesaferg said:
OLD PO85RD(3.02) was changed to PO83Q, which has more cut. If this has confused some people...

But yes, PO85RD POLISH(newer) has more cut than PO106FF - and was specifically engineered a few years ago for the introduction of the harder, ceramic clear-coats. They have since then added a more specific array of specialized products, I feel it has not been made absolete, but these products don't necessarily need to be used in conjunction with it.

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This is what I was refering to....
 
Islander78 said:
This is what I was refering to....
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I did say "newer", but I clarified correctly elsewhere.





charlesaferg said:
Super

Intensive

Polish

"SIP"

"PO83Q"

PO85RD3.02 SILICONE: None CUT: 3.5 GLOSS: 3 COLOR: white "OEM;" REM GRIT: 2,000



VS



Nano Polish

PO106FF SILICONE: None CUT: 2.5 GLOSS: 5 COLOR: grey "OEM;" REM GRIT: 2,500
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charlesaferg said:
I use multiple combinations for various situations, but an example being an intact but lightly swirled & ghosting paint on an '06+ Mercedez-Benz.

I apologize, photos unavailable.



PO83Q :: Metabo Rotary, various pads(Mostly orange CCS), speeds & sizes;



PO85U :: Metabo Rotary, various pads(Mostly orange CCS), speeds & sizes;



PO106FF :: FLEX 'RO'; Orange/White CCS



Protection varies. (Irrelevant to topic.)



Overall, I feel that these are one of these best combinations for 'CeramiClear'.

A good reference would be the checks (reference link below) marking "OEM coatings" meaning newer, ceramic clear-coats. Particularly PO83Q & PO106FF.



Note: PO85RD is one of the earlier variants of their ceramic-cut polishes, and I believe it may easily be included, but the above procedure works. As with all Menzerna polishes, combinations are always different depending on the VERY specific circumstances.



Menzerna Polishing Compounds Products, menzerna polishes, menzerna car polish, menzerna nano polish, menzerna final polish, menzerna compound,

Chart available here.

(No affiliation.)



I hope this helps.

.Charles

.:EuroLux Private Auto Detail

Portland, OR :: USA
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Islander78 said:
Charles,aren´t you confusing PO85RD With PO85RD3.01 or PO85RD3.02? Different products... PO85RD has lower cut than 106FF or 106FA, acording to Menzerna it has 1.5.
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As stated above, PO85RD has a cut of 1.5, and PO83Q has a cut of 3.5.



HansB said:
Since 106FF has a cut of 2.5 wouldn't you want to finish with PO85RD(1.5 cut) to get a great finish? Or is 106FF enough before the LSP? Thanks.
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That depends, sometimes I end up using PO87MC or I might actually use PO85RD on OEM, if it's needed.
 
Worked on the last few panels of the chevy show truck 30 mins ago and did the Powergloss w/ foamed wool, 85RD 3.01 w/LC yellow (all other panels I used normal IP on), 106FF w/ Sonus PC white pad (soft 6 incher) and PO85RD with LC gray



One thing I noticed is that 3.01 IP has a better working time than IP and somehow took out more freddy kruger glove like scratches than IP 91L

After 106 there were still half a dozen marks that I wasn't happy with as this truck is off to Summernats with us and must be it's best

So 85RD at 1200 to 1300 then finished at 850 took them out and amazinly took some of the very fine blurryness out of the reflected images
 
106FF and PO85RD do have the same gloss rating of 5 out of 5 but the Menzerna chart says that 106FF is designed to remove minimum sanding grit size of 2,500 and the PO85RD is 3,000.



So why wouldn't you expect PO85RD finish out nicer. I consider it a finessing polish and the 106FF a finishing polish.



I definately noticed an improvement with PO85RD on my black car. I also noticed a difference finishing a black 2006 BMW 750I with PO85RD 2 weeks ago.



Depends on the color most likely.



Using PO85RD with a blue Sonus SFX-3 blue pad gives excellent results. That blue foam SFX-3 pad is plenty dense and stiff enough to break the polish down easily. The blue LC CCS pads are too squishy. The gray LC CCS worked okay but the blue SFX-3 worked the polish faster.



But it looks like Autopia has recently changed the SFX-3 pad to a new red foam. I haven't tried it but I've always thought that the red foam was the softest of the foams. I wouldn't use them for polish, just wax or maybe glaze.



Sent email to Autopia asking if they had any blue SFX-3 pads left on the shelf that they would be willing to sell, but I never got any response from them.
 
DJBAILEY said:
106FF and PO85RD do have the same gloss rating of 5 out of 5 but the Menzerna chart says that 106FF is designed to remove minimum sanding grit size of 2,500 and the PO85RD is 3,000.



So why wouldn't you expect PO85RD finish out nicer. I consider it a finessing polish and the 106FF a finishing polish.



I definately noticed an improvement with PO85RD on my black car. I also noticed a difference finishing a black 2006 BMW 750I with PO85RD 2 weeks ago.



Depends on the color most likely.
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Ehh, wouldn't they have a different gloss level?? The polishes are different ways to the same end.
 
Well in a word, no. Something I've done before is to polish the same panel with the different ceramiclear polishes on a black car. Worked *properly* there is no difference. I've mixed the different products on the same car and there's been no difference. The difference is in the initial cut and not the finish.
 
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