PO106FF vs PO85RD

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Carbon Blue

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Just as the title states, which do guys prefer? Im about to switch to a different lineup and was wondering what would be a better mate with SIP. It seems that PO106ff is the standard around here, but with the new appearance of PO85RD it could be the new up and comer. Any input would be appreciated.
 
I like 85rd, but it really comes down to personal preference. The difference in gloss is strictly a matter in perception - I swear that 85RD looks better *to me*, but a number of guys that I respect claim that the gloss is the same.
 
Same end result with different levels of cut with 106ff having more cut. With both products worked properly there isn't a noticeable difference in my eyes.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Same end result with different levels of cut with 106ff having more cut. With both products worked properly there isn't a noticeable difference in my eyes.
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106ff has more cut?
 
OLD PO85RD was changed to PO83Q, which has more cut. If this has confused some people...

But yes, PO83Q(old PO85RD) has more cut than PO106FF - and was specifically engineered a few years ago for the introduction of the harder, ceramic clear-coats. They have since then added a more specific array of specialized products, I feel it has not been made absolete, but these products don't necessarily need to be used in conjunction with it.



I use multiple combinations for various situations, but an example being an intact but lightly swirled & ghosting paint on an '06+ Mercedez-Benz.

I apologize, photos unavailable.



PO83Q :: Metabo Rotary, various pads(Mostly orange CCS), speeds & sizes;



PO85U :: Metabo Rotary, various pads(Mostly orange CCS), speeds & sizes;



PO106FF :: FLEX 'RO'; Orange/White CCS



Protection varies. (Irrelevant to topic.)



Overall, I feel that these are one of these best combinations for 'CeramiClear'.

A good reference would be the checks (reference link below) marking "OEM coatings" meaning newer, ceramic clear-coats. Particularly PO83Q & PO106FF.



Note: PO85RD is one of the earlier variants of their ceramic-cut polishes, and I believe it may easily be included, but the above procedure works. As with all Menzerna polishes, combinations are always different depending on the VERY specific circumstances.



Menzerna Polishing Compounds Products, menzerna polishes, menzerna car polish, menzerna nano polish, menzerna final polish, menzerna compound,

Chart available here.

(No affiliation.)



I hope this helps.

.Charles

.:EuroLux Private Auto Detail

Portland, OR :: USA
 
Harry Houdini said:
Not to hijack the thread,

if you are going to use ultrafina SE, there is no reason to use 106FF?

or would you do 106FF then SE?
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On some harder clears, the UF might not have enough cut to clean everything up. So that is when I might use 106ff, then UF. Usually 106ff will finish down nice enough, but with the recent threads about 106ff swelling convential paint so that it appears all the swirls are gone when they might show up later....It might be best to finish with UF.
 
Well PO85RD Final Polish that I have (original bottles available) has less cut than 106 and if used after 106 will take out any few remaining marks



To my eyes on the black cars I've done with show and german factory paint,

85RD gives more wetness

106FF gives depth, colour enhancement and a glass like reflection.
 
Charles,aren´t you confusing PO85RD With PO85RD3.01 or PO85RD3.02? Different products... PO85RD has lower cut than 106FF or 106FA, acording to Menzerna it has 1.5.
 
gmblack3a said:
On some harder clears, the UF might not have enough cut to clean everything up. So that is when I might use 106ff, then UF. Usually 106ff will finish down nice enough, but with the recent threads about 106ff swelling convential paint so that it appears all the swirls are gone when they might show up later....It might be best to finish with UF.
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Thanks for the clarification :)



in the case of PO85RD, does it need a follow up with say UF SE?

I am thinking po85rd is so fine that it does not need the SE follow up, unless

you are looking for a different type of reflection from the paint?

lets take a black paint for example what would be the difference if I use PO85RD

and follow up with SE?
 
Since 106FF has a cut of 2.5 wouldn't you want to finish with PO85RD(1.5 cut) to get a great finish? Or is 106FF enough before the LSP? Thanks.
 
Both products finish with a gloss level of 5 on Menzerna's chart. I have never found a need to use one after the other as they're both finishing polishes. You can only be finished once.
 
Islander78 said:
Charles,aren´t you confusing PO85RD With PO85RD3.01 or PO85RD3.02? Different products... PO85RD has lower cut than 106FF or 106FA, acording to Menzerna it has 1.5.
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Explain.

http://autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/100742-po106ff-vs-po85rd.html#post1046518

Post #7 as reference.



Super

Intensive

Polish

"SIP"

"PO83Q"

PO85RD3.02 SILICONE: None CUT: 3.5 GLOSS: 3 COLOR: white "OEM;" REM GRIT: 2,000



VS



Nano Polish

PO106FF SILICONE: None CUT: 2.5 GLOSS: 5 COLOR: grey "OEM;" REM GRIT: 2,500
 
Carbon Blue said:
Just as the title states, which do guys prefer? Im about to switch to a different lineup and was wondering what would be a better mate with SIP. It seems that PO106ff is the standard around here, but with the new appearance of PO85RD it could be the new up and comer. Any input would be appreciated.
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The OP is asking about *finishing* polishes to go along with SIP. PO85RD and 106ff fit that bill.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Both products finish with a gloss level of 5 on Menzerna's chart. I have never found a need to use one after the other as they're both finishing polishes. You can only be finished once.
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Thanks you just saved me 40 bucks!
 
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