Plz Review Paint Correction Plan

Today we did a Black Nissan Titan with Meg's microfiber cutting pad, worked great. Your paint might be a little harder.



Keep it clean, use Meg's backing plate and interchange between two pads, this cuts down on de laminating.
 
Chad Griggs said:
As far as the microfiber pads do you like meguiars da micro fiber system?
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I've only used the Meguiar's MF Cutting Disks. Yeah, I like those *A LOT* and they're my go-tos for moderate/serious correction. Never tried the Finishing Disks, never tried any other MF pads/disks...don't really intend to either, but that's just me.
 
Accumulator said:
I've only used the Meguiar's MF Cutting Disks. Yeah, I like those *A LOT* and they're my go-tos for moderate/serious correction. Never tried the Finishing Disks, never tried any other MF pads/disks...don't really intend to either, but that's just me.
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You got me thinking about just getting the Meguiar's DA system instead of the Ultimate Compound/Ultimate Polish combo.



It comes with the MF Cutting disc as well as the MF Finishing Disc. It's 6" instead of 5.5" and I'm not sure if the backing plate works with the Griots. Although the Griots comes with a 6" backing plate... right?
 
Chad Griggs said:
You got me thinking about just getting the Meguiar's DA system instead of the Ultimate Compound/Ultimate Polish combo.



It comes with the MF Cutting disc as well as the MF Finishing Disc. It's 6" instead of 5.5" and I'm not sure if the backing plate works with the Griots. Although the Griots comes with a 6" backing plate... right?
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I'd be leery of finishing with the MF Finishing Disk, though I have not first-hand experience upon which to base that opinion. Yeah, I'm just guessing but my gut-instinct is that it's not the way to go. Also I wouldn't want to use the Finishing Wax (sorry, forget the number...?310? maybe :nixweiss ).



But that's just me! IF you don't mind concealing some of the finish's issues (and I could argue that's perfectly sensible) then sure...go ahead and try the whole MF system, but I'd also want a few regular foam pads in case the MF Finishing Disks don't work out for you.



The backing plates *WILL* interchange between Meguiar's and GG RO machines and yeah, the GG comes with a 6" plate. And the 6" MF cutting disk works awfully well on a GG despite being so big (much better than I ever expected).



No need to overthink this, or aim for perfection, or otherwise be all, uhm....Autopian about it. Go with some simple approach, get the vehicle looking better than it ever has before (even if that's via a fair amount of filling/concealing) and then concentrate on the wash regimen. If you manage to *not* instill new marring over the next 6 or 12 months, you can always get more serious/involved/crazy about this stuff later.
 
Don't listen to me, listen to Accumulator - you always want to finish with a foam pad.



Chad Griggs said:
You got me thinking about just getting the Meguiar's DA system instead of the Ultimate Compound/Ultimate Polish combo.



It comes with the MF Cutting disc as well as the MF Finishing Disc. It's 6" instead of 5.5" and I'm not sure if the backing plate works with the Griots. Although the Griots comes with a 6" backing plate... right?
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Thomas Dekany said:
You do want to get a 5" backing plate like this



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The large 6" plate that comes with the GG PC, reduces torque. Go with smaller plates and pads
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Actually, given the same sized pad, the larger the plate, the more force transmitted to the pad. Imagine a 1" backing plate on a 6" pad, nearly no force will get to the outer edges of the pad.
 
Dan I am talking about proper size pad/plate



take a 6" BP and 6.5" pad or even 6" pad vs 5" bp and 5" pads. You will be able to bog down the larger size much easier.



Dan said:
Actually, given the same sized pad, the larger the plate, the more force transmitted to the pad. Imagine a 1" backing plate on a 6" pad, nearly no force will get to the outer edges of the pad.
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Thomas Dekany said:
Don't listen to me, listen to Accumulator...
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Heh heh, I got a kick out of that! If I were a bit more of a smart-@$$ I'd make it my new signature :chuckle:



- you always want to finish with a foam pad..
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Wonder how many people are happy finishing out with the MF Finishing Disks :confused: I mean, gee...did Meguiar's go through the whole product development thing only to come out with a dud?



The large 6" plate that comes with the GG PC, reduces torque. Go with smaller plates and pads
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Ya know how I've always been ranting about the need to use smaller pads for correction? I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to do some impressive work with 6-6.5 pads on my GG 6" RO. Sure didn't expect it, actually felt silly, like..."eh, this is gonna be a stupid waste of time and I'll contaminate this big pad for nothing!" but it actually worked out quite well.



So while I'm sure not saying that 5.5" pads won't work better, I'm not automatically dismissing the 6-6.5" ones with regard to the GG unit.
 
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Accumulator said:
Heh heh, I got a kick out of that! If I were a bit more of a smart-@$$ I'd make it my new signature :chuckle:



You know, these days, I work our chat all day, I have to write a blog daily, answer e mails, and on top that I try to read the threads here. What I meant to say is: "IF" the op doesn't want to listen to me, that is fine with me, but he should listen to you.



Wonder how many people are happy finishing out with the MF Finishing Disks :confused: I mean, gee...did Meguiar's go through the whole product development thing only to come out with a dud?



I always give my opinion on my personal experience. As you know, I have been blessed with lots of solid black details over the years and I found that foam worked better to FINISH with on those very finicky paint jobs in my case. I guess if you just use the MF system with 301, for most people that will and should work. I just assume that if someone bothers to join a detailing forum they want the best possible finish.



I will pay more attention to C&Bs and the pads being used by the posters - maybe it just me who can't finish with a MF pad. I wouldn't be very surprised.



Ya know how I've always been ranting about the need to use smaller pads for correction? I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to do some impressive work with 6-6.5 pads on my GG 6" RO. Sure didn't expect it, actually felt silly, like..."eh, this is gonna be a stupid waste of time and I'll contaminate this big pad for nothing!" but it actually worked out quite well.



So while I'm sure not saying that 5.5" pads won't work better, I'm not automatically dismissing the 6-6.5" ones with regard to the GG unit.



I hear you. But that is you. A newcomer to paint correction is not going to accomplish the same results you can. So I suggest 5.5s - because even I use that size.
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Thomas Dekany said:
I just assume that if someone bothers to join a detailing forum they want the best possible finish...
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I kinda go the other way, assuming that a lot of people aren't after a truly "Autopian" finish. Guess it goes both ways :nixweiss Hey, even *I* go both ways depending on the vehicle, and I figure I'm pretty particular.



I just starting to question the whole "Autopian Perfection in the real-world" thing, at least for most people...or should I say, for most people who ask how to do this stuff.

I will pay more attention to C&Bs and the pads being used by the posters - maybe it just me who can't finish with a MF pad. I wouldn't be very surprised...
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Eh, there's a lot of stuff that makes me wonder if it's "just me", hence my "Accumulator-proof" bit.



I hear you. But that is you. A newcomer to paint correction is not going to accomplish the same results you can. So I suggest 5.5s - because even I use that size
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That's interesting...I kinda figure that when it comes to basic correction, if I find [whatever] easy then it'll work for anybody :think: When I deem something "Accumulator-proof" I honestly think that anybody oughta get up to speed with it in a few minutes, like my female accountant pal who did her Lexus with my stuff after just reading a *very* brief how-to that I wrote up in maybe five minutes. She was like..."went fine, nothing to it, just took a while", and she'd *never* touched a polisher before in her life. I dunno if her results were "Autopian", but they sure satisfied her and attained the "best SUV in the parking lot" standard.



But I don't want anybody to think we're :argue about 5.5" vs. 6" pads (or anything else for that matter ;) ). I was just trying to save him some $, and I bet the smaller pads on the Griot's *are* more effective. The 3-4" ones sure work great on it!



Chad Griggs said:
..I think [your other posts are]... why my initial plan was to use 4" pads
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Heh heh, don't worry, I don't think I'm *really* contradicting myself. The smaller pads on a GG 6" machine are real defect-killers,nence time-savers, and I'm all for that. It's just that I was *shocked* to actually get decent results with the 6" pads so I was being kinda heavy on the whole "keep it cheap and simple" thing.



If a basic approach (use what comes on the GG, see what happens) doesn't work out, then you can ramp it up later. OTOH, being able to get it *right* the first time (by switching to the smaller pads if you need/want to) has a whole lot going for it too. Not a right/wrong thing..of if it is, I hope I cleared up my position a little.
 
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