Pics of the Edge Pads

Looks like that adapter is about to poke through the hole. Sometimes I put a lot of pressure on the PC for defect removal. Would that adapter grind into my paint?! :eek:
 
Spilchy said:
Looks like that adapter is about to poke through the hole. Sometimes I put a lot of pressure on the PC for defect removal. Would that adapter grind into my paint?! :eek:
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Edge says that it won't, but I don't know. That's why I still have a hook and loop BP... I'll probably have to try it out before I spend the $$ on this system.
 
ok, lets do a survey?
How many people who use the Edge2000 system have drove the adapter though the pad into the paint? In fact more people have actually hit the car with the backing plate, or the velcro has failed causing the pad to fly off and then hitting the hook and loop against the car. We have made the Edge200 system safer than any pad system on the market.


While we wait for real world responses please look at the attached file which illustrates how that senerio is impossible. The system would not last very long on the market if customers who wanted to polish their cars ended up grinding them down to the metal.:lmfao
 
The Edge said:
ok, lets do a survey?
How many people who use the Edge2000 system have drove the adapter though the pad into the paint? In fact more people have actually hit the car with the backing plate, or the velcro has failed causing the pad to fly off and then hitting the hook and loop against the car. We have made the Edge200 system safer than any pad system on the market.


While we wait for real world responses please look at the attached file which illustrates how that senerio is impossible. The system would not last very long on the market if customers who wanted to polish their cars ended up grinding them down to the metal.:lmfao
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That seems to answer the debate as to the adapter.

Real world, yes a pad has removed itself from velcro plate on my Makita long ago. It was back to the paint booth for that fender! I did not view the velcro plate prior to attaching pad as I normally do to inspect the velcro for worn loops which happens due to heat from polishing and all the chemicals.

Always always always inspect your backing plate to see if it is starting to become worn before putting on the pad. For DA users, it's not that much of a concern. All it takes is one!

I wonder how much effect the adapter has on bearings on the PC polisher? A good rotary is always overbuilt for heavy loads. I'm sure this topic regarding the effect the adapter has on PC's was covered once before if I'm right.

Now, all you need is some more softer finish pads and wax/glaze pads. The softer the better!

Thanks for the pic to clarify the adapters location in relation to the finish!

Deanski
 
i use the edge2k and the adapter have never protruded thru the pad and damaged my customer paint( i can see what others are saying but it wont happen plus i think some people dont like change so they have negative mindset..please dont take it personal plus i meant this not to anyone here..just take it for what its worth)....i seen more problems with backing plate and other brand pads...dont get me wrong i still use hoop and loop but my go to pad r edge2k pads and if i ever need to replace it will be with edge...

Where's patrick?
 
Instead of being cute, a more appropriate response from a manufacturer is to be expected.

I feel I raise in interesting point based on the provided picture given that I have never used your system.

Furthermore, I believe you suffered from poorer performance and pad security in your old adapter design some time ago to the extent that you offered a free exchange as well as upgrading your pad adhesive. Apparantly your system isn't the safest on the market as it was flawed enough that you had to re-introduce your lineup to the community.

Hence my legitimate question / concern.
 
I have tried to by pushing all my weight on the PC to make the adapter touch the paint. I DID THIS ON MY TRUCK........I was SURE nothing would happen. IT IS ALL GOOD. No scratches, no dings, no nothing. The Edge system is safe....I tested it and WANTED TO MAKE IT SCRATCH something. I did not suceed.:D
 
Boy your being rough on him.. he answered your question.. pretty much that's it.. you rally can''t compress the foam that much that you would ever make the adapter hit. yes I got those old batchs of pad but he fixed them at no cost as he would for any... this is a great system as you can switch between sizes and machines.with out a problem..


let's play nice..



Spilchy said:
Instead of being cute, a more appropriate response from a manufacturer is to be expected.

I feel I raise in interesting point based on the provided picture given that I have never used your system.

Furthermore, I believe you suffered from poorer performance and pad security in your old adapter design some time ago to the extent that you offered a free exchange as well as upgrading your pad adhesive. Apparantly your system isn't the safest on the market as it was flawed enough that you had to re-introduce your lineup to the community.

Hence my legitimate question / concern.
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It is not often that I do not agree with you Spilchy but this time I think that you are a little off base. Your concerns are well intentioned. Of that I am sure.

It would seem to me that your question was answered. Maybe not to your liking.... but answered non the less. I read nothing untowards you or your question. All I read was an answer.

Just for the record I do not own the Edge system but have viewed pads of the Edge company that TexasTB has. They appear to be of good quality.
 
Perhaps Spilchy could get an answer more to his liking if he had worded his post slightly differently.

What kind of answer would I get from a car dealer if I presented the car salesman with the following comment/question?

"Looks like that car is going to kill me. Sometimes I drive really fast. Would the breaks fail in the event that I am approaching a brick wall and need to stop? :eek:"

What tone of answer am I going to get in return? Manufacturer or not, people react in certain ways and there are ways to ask a question or present a concern with tact.

Now if we are going to nitpick, perhaps I can offer some advice and a way to ask a question that would more than likely get an answer that even Spilchy would approve of. How about something like this"

"I have never used The Edge 2000 pads before and I am curious about the hole in the center and what stops the adapter from coming all the way through. What information could you provide that would explain how the system is constructed for folks like me that have the same concern about the possibility of the adapter coming in contact with the painted surface?"

What do you say Spilchy? How does that work for you?
 
My birthday is coming up next month (yes I'll be 30 and yes it's pathetic that I still expect and get excited by birthday presents) and I just got the inevitable question: "so what do you want for your birthday?" I DEFINITELY dropped the hint that I want the pad kit pictured in the thread on Autogeek.

Now if only I could get Aaron convinced that he needs to make 4" pads . . .

holland_patrick said:
Boy your being rough on him.. he answered your question.. pretty much that's it.. you rally can''t compress the foam that much that you would ever make the adapter hit. yes I got those old batchs of pad but he fixed them at no cost as he would for any... this is a great system as you can switch between sizes and machines.with out a problem..
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This is a lot more than some other pad companies would do (not mentioning names). I had a backing plate fall apart on me and damage my car. The manufacturer basically said "too bad" to me. This is part of the reason why I want to switch to Edge pads. The many, many threads on DC have convinced me that Aaron stands behind his products 100%.
 
I'm game to give this a go, I think. A little shy about it, but only because a looong time ago I put a 3M pad on without a backing plate (never used 3M before). Worked fine until the wool flattened down and scratched the paint. It was a friends car, so I repainted the panel (an old Ford, she didn't mind).

Confessions aside, that foam does not compress too easily. With a rotary, I would eat through the paint pressing it down like that, forget gouging.
 
Dwayne said:
What do you say Spilchy? How does that work for you?
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Nope, I'm sticking to my legitimate 3 sentence post that simply states

#1) The picture makes it look like the adpater can poke through #2) I use a lot of pressure on the PC #3) Would the adapter grind into my paint (if enough pressure is used).

I'll spare typing *my* hypothetical vendor response to my question and stick with the hook and loop.
 
My response was never meant to be taken so harshly, actually I was trying to be funny but it has obviously backfired. Just for the record, the origonal system did have problems however those problems were never in the security of the adapter on the pad, or the adapter comming though the pad. The issues were limited to the 5/16 adapter being screwed into the Edge2000 adapter and those two adapters vibrating apart. You see the Edge2000 system was designed for the rotary buffer where we have had no problems at all. Some people began adapting their Edge2000 adapters with the 5/16 adapter (which is available from many souces and I have attached a pic of here) to use on the PC. We wanted to make this easier for the customer so we began screwing them together here but did not do enough testing with it because we thought that the public had already done that and it was working. The action of the DA is so different than the rotary that it violently vibrates the two peices apart but not the pad from the adatper. To fix this we did a full engineering on the adapter to make is specifically for the DA and then offered the free upgrade to get any and all adapters in the field up to par. We also did not make pads for the DA and the action of the DA requires a much better adhesive which we did upgrade to and now have no problems but again the pads never damaged a car they just did not last and we replaced without question all defective pads. I am sorry if you took my answer to be "cute" in a kind of negative way, that was not my intent. I was trying to answer the concern while being funny about it which is why I put that laughing face at the end of my comments.
 
I stand behind Aaron and his products 110%, day in and day out. I've been using their sysem since September and would never go back. I've never had a pad fly off, never pressed so hard that the adapter poked through (I don't hold the pad that flat to begin with). The only problem I've had with one of my pads was that the hole rounded out from so much use. But by then, the pad was more or less toasted anyway.
The great thing I like about their system is not only the ease of changing pads, but the feel I get while using a buffer. When I used velcro pads I could never seem to get the pad "just right", I always had a slight vibration. With the Edge system I get a much more positive feel while buffing, with the now even shorter rotary adapter I think any pad hopping has been eliminated.
We can't forget the HUGE line of pads that they offer. I've got wool, foam, and waffle foam pads and have zero complaints about any of them. My favorite ones are my waffle pads, I've fallen in love with the blue pad :D
They're cheaper than buying two one sided pads, they're durable, Aaron provides oustanding customer service, and I overall just like 'em :rockon

Dolan
 
Spilchy said:
Nope, I'm sticking to my legitimate 3 sentence post that simply states

#1) The picture makes it look like the adpater can poke through #2) I use a lot of pressure on the PC #3) Would the adapter grind into my paint (if enough pressure is used).

I'll spare typing *my* hypothetical vendor response to my question and stick with the hook and loop.
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You gotta do what you gotta do. I'm as skeptical as they get and didn't buy the product on the first round. I did pick it up a couple of months ago and can honestly say this is one of the slickest detailing products I own. That in itself is saying something, I own alot of detailing supplies, chemicals and tools. I'm going out on a limb here but believe that if you actually tried this not only would your worries be eliminated you would actually become a fan of the product. I've been watching the Edge posts pretty closely, I just haven't seen anyone who didn't like the latest revision of this product. Just my 2 cents.

LikeaRock said:
When I used velcro pads I could never seem to get the pad "just right", I always had a slight vibration. With the Edge system I get a much more positive feel while buffing, with the now even shorter rotary adapter I think any pad hopping has been eliminated.
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Same here, definitely less vibration.

The biggest obstacle that people have with trying this system is that they already have a large investment in hook and loop pads. I know I did. It was still worth it.
 
GearHead_1 said:
The biggest obstacle that people have with trying this system is that they already have a large investment in hook and loop pads. I know I did. It was still worth it.
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Exactly, my buddy had the system and was the one who told me to get it. He has a ton of hook and loop/velcro pads, and doesn't even bother with them anymore.
 
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