PC with 106ff help please

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for starters, I've used PO85RD with success. picked up some Menzerna 106 a while back and had a chance to try it today.



detailed a 2 month old Honda Pilot today. also first time doing a Honda, by the way...no swirls. just wanted to spruce it up gloss-wise. did the whole wash/clay/106/WGDPS routine (via PC)



anyway, I only noticed a slight difference in gloss. not eye-popping as I was expecting. like I said, Ive had success with 85RD before, though on a different make/paint and I haven't really had any experiences with Honda paint. I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong:cry:



I've always used the PC this way:



spread on speed 3

up/down, side/side on speed 6 until polish breaks down

(usually between 3-4 passes=3-4 up/down, 3-4 side/side)



any feedback is appreciated. feel free to critique my process as I really want to "enjoy" the Nano



thanks all
 
Well, my first thought is how much more gloss do you think you can achieve on a 2 month old vehicle? Also, I think the more neglected the paint is on a given vehicle, the more we perceive it as doing a great job, and the bigger transformation you can make.. Conversly on a well taken car of car you won't always walk away looking like a hero...Just some pyschological thoughts to ponder...
 
I'm with cleaning fool on this one again regarding the newness of the car. However, I will probably get spanked for this but I'll say it again anyway. Most polishes, including 106ff which I have used extensively for 2 years, require heat to fully break down and work their magic. A P/C does not generate nearly the heat that a rotory does and therefore will never deliver the ultra high glossy shine that a rotory can. The best way to describe it is to think of it this way. A rotory with a good polish will BURNISH the finish and it is this burnishing that creates the high gloss. If you don't have alot of money to spend then buy yourself a cheap thirty dollar Chicago Electric rotory and go slow at first. You'll soon discover exactly what I'm talking about regarding polish breakdown and you'll quickly see how it was the machine, not the polish that was holding you back.



Patrick
 
but I thought the only advantage a rotary has against a PC is correction abilities like cutting swirls and scratches.



like i've mentioned, I've had success with 85RD on a PC, although on much older paints like you guys have pointed out.



time to save up for a rotary...hehe



thanks guys.
 
mixxer said:
BS!!! you can get awesome results with a pc and menzerna nano 106ff. this is menzerna 106 ff with orange pad only never stepped down,wouldnt look any differnet witha rotory.
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I would beg to differ. My experience so far indicates certain tools, starting with rotary, can bring out level of gloss that can not be achieved with PC/UDM. There has been number of discussions on that subject on this forum.
 
I agree with Zoran. I have done side by side testing and there is a better finish with the rotary than a DA. Not something you can capture on film but you can see it in person.
 
If you are going to stick with a PC and are looking for a *wow* wet-look, I would highly recommend Einszett's Metallic Polish.



I have never really liked the Menzerna's via PC - Mixxer's photos look about as good as any on the forum, but in person, there's a level of perfection beyond simply "defect-free". I have been able to achieve this level only via a rotary and finishing pad.
 
I love how when I give my opinion I get kind responses like "BS" from Mixxer. Here's something you should think about Mixxer. Between Zoran and Spoiled Man they have over seven thousand posts on this site alone, but I guess you know better.
 
mixxer said:
Its process not product!
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The product didn't change but the process would. The process of working 106ff *does* create a better/brighter/clearer result with a rotary than it does with a DA.
 
guys, sorry for creating such a storm. it was just an innocent plea for help.



I also appreciate all the feedback.



i do understand that a rotary will always finish better than a PC. I will never argue that point. but i'f i'm too stubborn to stick to the PC is there anything wrong with my process? my main concern was (using the same PC process) why am I not getting the same result with 106 when i've used 85RD "successfully" (to my liking)



like CleaningFool said, it just maybe too young of a car/paint. I will try it again on a different car and see what happens or maybe try 85RD on the same car.



thanks again, guys..... and I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to create such a storm



GROUP HUG ANYONE???
 
ZoranC said:
I would beg to differ. My experience so far indicates certain tools, starting with rotary, can bring out level of gloss that can not be achieved with PC/UDM. There has been number of discussions on that subject on this forum.
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Not trying to be argumentative...but I could see someone like Scottwax arguing that point.



Just curious...what are some of these other tools?
 
my point is there is no reason why he cant achieve the results hes looking for with this product and the proper process!
 
SpoiledMan said:
I have done side by side testing and there is a better finish with the rotary than a DA.
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If memory (still) serves me correct Dave KG was also posting similar findings on this subject and I think Bence pitched it on it too but with high OPM DAs.
 
ptaylor_9849 said:
Between Zoran and Spoiled Man they have over seven thousand posts on this site alone, but I guess you know better.
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I appreciate the compliment but I would like to take the humble road and indicate quantity of my posts can not put me even remotely close to SpoiledMan. In my case it is more indicator of quantity. In SpoiledMan's case it is not even close of an indicator of quality, otherwise his post count would be way higher. In other words, he is busy actually detailing, not having time to post. I do much less detailing and post more.
 
grease said:
Just curious...what are some of these other tools?
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Other than rotary? High OPM DAs (10000+ OPMs). For example, take a look at Bence's result with one of them, 12,000 OPM (I hope Bence will forgive me for linking to his picture):



Bence_Camry202.jpg




Bence_Camry142.jpg
 
The 106ff and the IP are pretty close in finishing gloss with a rotary IMO.



Here's a couple of in-process pics of a black BMW 745i that I'm currently working on.



Starting with a representative shot of the finish



745i_DoorPanelCloseup.jpg




On to wet sanding bumper and trunk lid



745i_RearBumperWetSanded.jpg




Compounded with 3M Extra Cut



745i_RearBumperPartialCompounding.jpg




Polished with Menzerna



745i_RearAreaCompounded.jpg




I used a DynaBrade rotary on most of the surface area and the Metabo on the tighter areas like the license plate recess.



Toto
 
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