PC Vibration Test

shaf

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Okay, with my newly acquired Porter Cable polisher in hand, I finally got to run a test I'd been itching to perform. :) I wanted to see for myself what kind of vibration or balance differences there were using different combinations of counterweights and backing pads. Some people with the Meguiar's W64DA backing pad had mentioned a significant decrease in vibrations when they swapped out their 5" weight for a 6" one. I wanted to see this and also try out a 6" pad/weight combo, which I had less info on.



Thanks to 2wheelsx2 (:xyxthumbs) I had both his extra 6" counterweight as well as the 5" counterweight that came with the 7335 I had (patiently) ordered in. Because the unit already came with a 5" backing pad, I went out and bought a 6" backing pad (and another later on as well). This way I owned all the existing combinations of counterweights and backing pads used by most people here. The first thing I did was take some weight measurements:



5" Counterweight: 1.75 oz / 50g

6" Counterweight: 2.00 oz / 58g



5" Porter Cable 13700 Backing Pad: 3.50 oz / 100g

6" Campbell Hausfeld Backing Pad: 3.85 oz / 110g

6" Craftsman Backing Pad: 3.50 oz / 100g



Meguiar's 6.5" W8006 Polishing Pad: 0.75 oz / 22g

Simoniz (Canada) 6" Buffing Pad: 0.85 oz / 24g



All weights were measured on a simple kitchen-grade scale and were verified a few times each. The absolute weights aren't as interesting as the relative weights. It's interesting to note that the larger Craftsman backing pad actually weighed the same as the smaller PC one. After a lot of debating it, I eventually returned this one and used the slightly heavier Campbell Hausfeld one for the test. While the Craftsman would've been good for actual use, it would've made for less revealing testing, as I couldn't imagine the 6" PC backing pad that comes with the 7336 being the same weight as their 5" one. Of course it should be remembered that the weights don't need to match the backing pad gram for gram when being exchanged because they're at different distances from the center of rotation. The counterweight weights were more out of curiousity than anything else.



While the pads don't seem to weigh very much, they make a fair amount of difference percentage-wise to the overall mass that the counterweights have to balance. So they do seem to matter, and this overturns the idea that the counterweight has to strictly match the backing pad. The Simoniz pad is found up here as an accessory to the Simoniz (Wen) cordless orbital sold at Canadian Tire. I was just curious if the weight is much different from the Meguiar's pads. They probably make for cheap, acceptable finishing pads and I used one for the test.



I did not test the obviously mismatching combination of 5" counterweight and 6" backing pad. I also had to afix a stick-on velcro adapter to these backing pads since they were originally PSA type pads. To do the test I gradually ran the PC from speeds 1 to 6 on the top of a large chest freezer with only QD sprayed on the surface and pad. Here are the combinations I tested:



5" counterweight / 5" backing pad (5/5)

6" counterweight / 5" backing pad (6/5)

6" counterweight / 6" backing pad (6/6)



Because I was changing pads/weights so much, and the test was very subjective to "feel", I ran each combo twice to make sure. The 5/5 combo gave the most vibration, especially at higher speeds. At speed 6 it was almost painful to hold the side handle because it was shaking so much. Up to about speed 4 it was "okay" though. The 6/5 combo was the smoothest overall, being relatively smooth up to 4 or 5, but still giving some vibration at 6. It was still quite a bit more well balanced than the 5/5 combo at this speed though. The 6/6 combo was pretty similar to the 6/5 combo, being very slightly rougher at higher speeds. I was almost expecting the balance to be worse than this, but am pleased it works okay.



Overall, I would say that any size pad using the 6" counterweight is the best, especially if you like the higher speeds or just plain speed 6. One thing I noticed though, was the remarkable increase in vibration when simply going from 5 to 6, where the vibration and noise level jumps sharply. Also, anything up to speed 4 was quite smooth running and easy to handle.



The only thing I regret is not having an actual Meguiar's W64DA 5" backing pad to compare it with. It's noticably thinner than a "normal" backing pad and I can't help but wonder if it's lighter. Anyone care to weigh theirs for me? :)



Sorry for the massive post, now I'm off to give my PC thread a minor edit...
 
:xyxthumbs X 1000



Maybe David can considder a new category:"Detailing Laboratry"



Aint it fun to test things like that?



Well, about your test:

everything makes perfectly sense , allthough one should expect the original setting(6" pad & 6"backingplate ) to be the smoothiest(sp?)

But my guess is that the counterweights are designed for the sandingpapers .After all the PC was a sanding-machine at first.



I like the test, maybe I can do the same for Makita BO6040.



Christiaan
 
4DSC said:
The only thing I regret is not having an actual Meguiar's W64DA 5" backing pad to compare it with. It's noticably thinner than a "normal" backing pad and I can't help but wonder if it's lighter. Anyone care to weigh theirs for me? :)


If I can find a scale, I will weigh my Meguiars W64DA. Two problems come to mind.

1. I have no idea where to weigh it just yet. (Post Office?)

2. Will the fact that two different scales are used, skew the results?



One other thing I wonder about is the positioning of the pad on the backing plate. It almost seems that a very slight offset could change the vibration factor a great deal.



Charles
 
The Post Office was the place to go.



Meguiar's W64DA Velcro Backing Plate 3 oz.



For reference, I also weighed two 6.5" Meguiar's pads.

One 8006, one 9006, both weighed .75 oz.

Since that is the same weight 4DSC came up with, it appears the scales are pretty well matched.



Charles
 
Thanks a lot Charles! :xyxthumbs Wow, I almost wish I'd sprung for that W64DA (a bit pricey though). I bet Megs made it lighter on purpose to help offset the additional weight of the pad. While 0.5 oz doesn't sound like much I bet you could tell the difference because all the weights are close anyway, so a little may mean a lot...
 
Brian:



You're welcome to try my Meguiar's W64DA if you're interested.



The other thing I found is that because the handle is so far from the center of the eccentric orbit that you feel more vibration. I don't know who told me that on Autopia. Anyway, now I just use the PC without the handle, and hold the "head" with my left hand. I feel much less vibration, and can use the PC for hours.
 
That's a good point about the handle Gary, and explains the "whip-like" effect I was getting with the 5" weight. :eek:



You have a PM ;)
 
2wheelsx2 said:
Brian:



You're welcome to try my Meguiar's W64DA if you're interested.



The other thing I found is that because the handle is so far from the center of the eccentric orbit that you feel more vibration. I don't know who told me that on Autopia. Anyway, now I just use the PC without the handle, and hold the "head" with my left hand. I feel much less vibration, and can use the PC for hours.



i have figured a way to eliminate this, but I am trrying to find a tool maker that can help me make it. Hard to find.
 
2wheelsx2 said:
Brian:



You're welcome to try my Meguiar's W64DA if you're interested.



The other thing I found is that because the handle is so far from the center of the eccentric orbit that you feel more vibration. I don't know who told me that on Autopia. Anyway, now I just use the PC without the handle, and hold the "head" with my left hand. I feel much less vibration, and can use the PC for hours.



Thanks 2wheelsx2,



I just tried out my PC today and you are correct, if I hold the main section with my lef hand instead of holding the removable handle, the vibration is much less annoying and makes the PC easier to use.:xyxthumbs
 
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