PB's Durability Question

Brenton

Brenton

aka PEI Detail
As a detailer by business I need to know what to tell customers about how long products last. On average conditions, how long will these last:
EX-P
EX w/carnauba
Natty's
Polish w/carnauba
thank you
brenton
www.peidetail.ca
 
three to six months is what I would tell customers, but there are so many varaibles to deal with from prep, weather, driving conditions, environment to maintenence that it would be impossible to be more exact.
 
Brenton,
On Steve's recommendation, I used EX-P last summer. I applied 3 coats in May & it was still beading in November after a summer of outdoor parking at work in temps well over 35º C, and garaged at night.
Norah
 
Poorboy said:
three to six months is what I would tell customers, but there are so many varaibles to deal with from prep, weather, driving conditions, environment to maintenence that it would be impossible to be more exact.
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Yeah, I don't need exact.
But I'm going to get closer to 6 months on the sealants and closer to 3 months on waxes, right? Does the Carnauba in EX lessen durability? Can I get as much durability with the polish w/c as with the paste wax?
 
I alawys tell customers that 3 to 6 months depending on how the car is stored, driven and cared for....I agree with Steve its based on a case by case....I tell customers if you really want your cars finish to last to come see me every 6 months spring and fall...Most of the ones that I do have for the most part.
 
I did a detail in Fairbanks this past spring on an 04 GMC truck. Used all Poorboy's products with EX-P as the sealantx2. Then topped with Natty's x2. spring in Alaska is early June. The vehicle was still looking good the first week of October with a once a week wash followed by S&G wipe down. So that is four months with minimal maintainence.
 
I'm still interested in this question. I'm loving the polish w/carnauba, but will I get as long of protection with a single application of polish w/carnauba by rotary as I will with natty's paste? I need to know for my customers, and am liking this as a single step.
Also, is the EX with Carnauba less durable than without?
 
If you are using the PwC with a rotary , I suggest going over the vehicle using it again like a wax and letting it dry to a haze. Using it with a rotary is basically leaving a little protection, but not nearly as much as let it haze and bond. Same would go for EX. EX and EX-P have similar durability length. :yes:
 
PEI Detail said:
I'm still interested in this question. I'm loving the polish w/carnauba, but will I get as long of protection with a single application of polish w/carnauba by rotary as I will with natty's paste? I need to know for my customers, and am liking this as a single step.
Also, is the EX with Carnauba less durable than without?
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EX is more durable . Its the sealant with a touch of carnuba. Best of both worlds.
However the products that are a 2 in one mix are less durable than 2 apps of any 1 product. Like the PwC .Its works great for customers wanting a wash and wax that their paiont needs alittle help. But you will get better results if you used a 100% polish and then a wax. With the PwC you're mixing a polish and wax in 1 step so you its a give and take from both sides.


You'll get better protection from natty's than PwC .

Try using the PwC with a PC on 4K . Let it dry for a minute and wipe off. I do the whole car with the Pc and trhen go back and wipe off w/MF.

Are you burnishing the PwC with your rotary?
 
Poorboy said:
If you are using the PwC with a rotary , I suggest going over the vehicle using it again like a wax and letting it dry to a haze. Using it with a rotary is basically leaving a little protection, but not nearly as much as let it haze and bond. Same would go for EX. EX and EX-P have similar durability length. :yes:
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PwS with Nattys on top has been killer good, and I use PwS alot as a one step (after clay) on good finishes.

I don't read the whole board, is PwS being talked about yet? :confused:
 
Coastal Eddie said:
PwS with Nattys on top has been killer good, and I use PwS alot as a one step (after clay) on good finishes.

I don't read the whole board, is PwS being talked about yet? :confused:
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No it's not since it won't be released until Spring :yes:
 
What I was looking for was the one step process. Perhaps PwS will have more protection. Most customers are fine with paying for a coat of Natty's on top, but not all. You can get a nice shine on many vehicles with a single app of PwC with a rotary, but I am still concerned about durability.
The commercial single step glaze I have only lasts about 4-6 weeks, so I moved on. Glad I found PwC, just curious about its life.
 
PEI Detail said:
What I was looking for was the one step process. Perhaps PwS will have more protection. Most customers are fine with paying for a coat of Natty's on top, but not all. You can get a nice shine on many vehicles with a single app of PwC with a rotary, but I am still concerned about durability.
The commercial single step glaze I have only lasts about 4-6 weeks, so I moved on. Glad I found PwC, just curious about its life.
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You're not going to get more than 4 to 6 weeks out of PwC. IMO. Thats about right on target for a 2 in 1 product. I use PwC for 1st time clients . Its got great cleaning abilities and leaves decent protection. And very easy to use but you already know that.

Most studies I've seen show wax only last about 4 to 6 weeks anyway. So you're not giving your clients a bad deal at all. Concentrate on upselling a sealant perhaps...

Aloha
 
Hawaiianelement said:
You're not going to get more than 4 to 6 weeks out of PwC. IMO. Thats about right on target for a 2 in 1 product. I use PwC for 1st time clients . Its got great cleaning abilities and leaves decent protection. And very easy to use but you already know that.

Most studies I've seen show wax only last about 4 to 6 weeks anyway. So you're not giving your clients a bad deal at all. Concentrate on upselling a sealant perhaps...

Aloha
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Actually with the polymers and UV absorbers besides the carnauba it will go at least 8-12 weeks. The carnauba in PwC is very minute and is there basically for gloss enhancement. :yes:
 
I never got brave enough to test PwC out on the paint alone. It's either that or I'm obsessed with trying out different combos of sealants, glazes and polishes
 
PEI Detail said:
As a detailer by business I need to know what to tell customers about how long products last. On average conditions, how long will these last:
EX-P
EX w/carnauba
Natty's
Polish w/carnauba
thank you
brenton
www.peidetail.ca
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On my garaged cars, I get the following durability -

EX-P and EX: 4 months
Natty's and PwC (either regular or blue): 3 months
PwS: undergoing initial rounds of testing with good results thus far
 
budman3 said:
I never got brave enough to test PwC out on the paint alone. It's either that or I'm obsessed with trying out different combos of sealants, glazes and polishes
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Me too, but I also hate to test on customers' cars.
 
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