bob m
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Not 1000% sure of exactly what went down, but my issue in this drama is the fact that private email exchanges were made public w/o consent. Not cool.
Pan The organizer fee leak lawyers involved LMAO
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Not 1000% sure of exactly what went down, but my issue in this drama is the fact that private email exchanges were made public w/o consent. Not cool.
Setec Astronomy
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That`s not the way I understood it. I understood it that they would agree to the price, they would send the product, Pan would use it, and if he liked it he would go ahead with the "review" for the agreed price. If he didn`t like the product, he wouldn`t do the review. Of course, any reasonable person would have to wonder about how much the $16,000 carrot hanging out there affects whether you like the product.
The problem is that the whole YouTube vibe is that these are just regular people trying to help out regular people like you and me make the best product choices. When the reality turns out to be a bit different.
William_Wallace
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@Setec and @Bob good points YouTube itself is like the Wild West anything goes free for all. I used to only watch YouTube sparsely when I needed to fix something but now I watching it more than cable. A lot of the other channels I watch name the sponsor of the video but those videos the subject is something different besides the actual sponsor.
I’ll keep watching some of Pans videos and will stay subscribed he does a good job making the videos. Who’s gonna win in upcoming YouTube boxing match between Pan and Scott Hd Im routing for Scott HD.
I would also bet the strong stance that ScottHD isn’t interested in sponsor money I bet that also changes in the future once the YouTube police catch him!
I’ll keep watching some of Pans videos and will stay subscribed he does a good job making the videos. Who’s gonna win in upcoming YouTube boxing match between Pan and Scott Hd Im routing for Scott HD.
I would also bet the strong stance that ScottHD isn’t interested in sponsor money I bet that also changes in the future once the YouTube police catch him!
William_Wallace
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Your right. I don’t have a great understanding but there’s a lot of money to be made views, thumbs, comments, I have also heard of a viewer watches the whole commercial without skipping the channel has more income, sponsors, Amazon commissions and prob more.
I’ll be on YouTube all day Saturday because I’m try to replacement a Hayward super pump in my pool arrived today and I’m clueless about electrical stuff, grounding and I have a multimeter that looks complicated and never used I’m gonna start at 10:00 if I haven’t figured out by 2pm I’ll give up but without YouTube And content I’d have 0% chance. It’s basically a library at your fingertips.
Coatings=crack
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Applaud them for engaging in talks to business and not be happy with results so put a mans earnings on blast?
He charges for advertising.... not reviews.... all his video’s that are paid advertising listed it. Bad business on Underdog’s parts.
And 300..... no disrespect but you do alot of reviews for PBMG products and I have yet to read a bad review from you. You are upfront and let us know they give them to you.
Now alot of us here know PBMG makes great products but outsiders could read this as 300zx only gives good reviews so he’ll still get free products.
I don’t believe thats the case... I read and appreciate your reviews.....you just get to review products from a company that makes good products.... but to an outsider... looking in.....dunno.
Just saying that we only have this one facet to judge Pan from and don’t know him or his intentions... feel he’s been as upfront as any youtube influencer out there. I as many others didn’t appreciate some of the things he said here but in my opinion one has nothing to do with the others
No matter what happened behind closed doors you don’t see any other companies blasting pan or other you tubers trying to make money. Guarantee there were other companies not happy with Pan but they stayed professional and just let their advertising dollars talk.
UndrDog could be the greatest coating on earth but i’ll pass. Not because Pan is right (no idea) but UndrDog and Scott HD were wrong.
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Coatings=crack
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Weather it’s true or not Pan said that his fee was contingent on him trying the products once fee was agreed upon. Wholy agree you will tend to find the good in products once a fee was settle upon.
And again jist pointing out people only see what the wanna see but he wasn’t asking for 16k..... he was willing to do it for 10-11k
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Coatings=crack
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First off guys it wasn’t 16k it was 10-11k they were getting a deal!
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Second of all being mad at pan for advertising and that is how influencers get paid..........
It’s like being mad at a manufacturer for the money they make. Gotta believe a bottle of sealant can’t be more than $3-4 dollars at max for the chemicals and bottles.... it retails for $29.99. Thats Crazy!
But you gotta remember that those 3-4 dollar bottles gotta pay for Advertising, storage, shipping costs, office workers, warehouse workers storage facilities..... and paying Pan is paying for advertising. Weather we like how it’s done or not.... YouTube was for video sharing and help video’s in the early 2000’s. Whole different ball game now.
Google bought youtube for 1.6 billion. It’s worth 170 billion today. Be mad at google. They are makimg so much money and comparatively the creators make jack squat...
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. Second of all being mad at pan for advertising and that is how influencers get paid..........
It’s like being mad at a manufacturer for the money they make. Gotta believe a bottle of sealant can’t be more than $3-4 dollars at max for the chemicals and bottles.... it retails for $29.99. Thats Crazy!
But you gotta remember that those 3-4 dollar bottles gotta pay for Advertising, storage, shipping costs, office workers, warehouse workers storage facilities..... and paying Pan is paying for advertising. Weather we like how it’s done or not.... YouTube was for video sharing and help video’s in the early 2000’s. Whole different ball game now.
Google bought youtube for 1.6 billion. It’s worth 170 billion today. Be mad at google. They are makimg so much money and comparatively the creators make jack squat...
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Oneheadlite
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Someone on the sister site posted a picture of Pan`s analytics regarding subscribers/views/estimated earnings. Regardless of what people think one way or the other, he`s going to be just fine...
wannafbody
wannafbody
No company is shelling out 16K without knowing that they are getting something for the money spent. They aren`t sending a 16K check, the product and hope some schmuck gives them a decent review. That isn`t how any company operates. Only an idiot would think that 16K check doesn`t come with strings attached.
bob m
New member
Ridiculous statement. Tell me the product he "reviewed" that wasn`t up to snuff? Well, maybe Beadmaker...
This isn`t as it was years ago, when (by comparison) there were relatively few products and some not all that good. With today`s technology - especially coatings and so many companies releasing new products there are no shortage of excellent products out there for review today. Strings attached? I wonder what those companies think when he does his yearly top detailing awards and their product/products don`t make the list, or (as he is currently doing) fail in the longevity test. A few years ago, he detailed his BMW with CQUARTZ UK 3.0 and now I see he`s done a new video on his new supercar ride - a Porsche 911 Turbo and uses a pro grade ceramic/graphene coating - Roar. I guess those strings aren`t attached too tightly.
I don`t have an issue with anyone getting paid for a review as long as they are upfront about it and they present the product/products honestly - not making any false claims. Others think differently about that. Fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My problem with this drama is that emails regarding a business proposition were made public in order to embarrass the other party. That simply isn`t ok in my book. At this point, I don`t think anyone`s mind is going to be changed one way or the other and I have already posted too much/repeating myself, so I`m going to step aside and leave this thread alone.....
Coatings=crack
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What Pan is saying is they come to an agreement but he wont review if he doesn’t like it and no payment made.
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The Guz
Mike
How do we know this? Are we supposed to take his word on this? It is more of an assumption. I understand you support Pan but come on he is not going to turn down a pay day. If you and I were banking it like that we would be doing the same thing and paying for our first super car ha. Pan deflected quite a bit in his response video that it was comical.
I seriously doubt he is "testing" any brand that is presented in front of him to even have factual data. I have never seen him post testing results of any kind other than reading the product description.
Anyway at this point who cares what he does. At the end of the day it was a drama and comical filled feud with a bunch of clowns. Apex is heading in the same direction as Pan and it would not surprise me if these other guys are getting some under the table action lol. Again who cares. Detailing does not pay the bills so any extra income is good on their part.
Yikes. I get it, nothing wrong with making a buck, BUT I always thought you tubers made their cake from YouTube the company, I.e money paid to them by YouTube from add revenues.
what pan is doing with “sponsored” products is basically a commercial, but on the internet. His you tube “about” page says car detailing tips, and product reviews.
he’s not reviewing sponsored products, he’s advertising them.
Nothing illegal what he’s doing but definitely on the douchy side. Knowing now he’s getting paid 16k a pop I can’t take him seriously. There is bias wether he admits it or not.
what pan is doing with “sponsored” products is basically a commercial, but on the internet. His you tube “about” page says car detailing tips, and product reviews.
he’s not reviewing sponsored products, he’s advertising them.
Nothing illegal what he’s doing but definitely on the douchy side. Knowing now he’s getting paid 16k a pop I can’t take him seriously. There is bias wether he admits it or not.
Coatings=crack
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I was just clarifying what Pan was saying. The post I replied to seemed like he thought.... Hey! Pay me 11k an if I like it i will review your product.
Like he was taking the pay and maybe you get a review was how I read that post.
And I don’t like or dislike Pan. Haven’t watched a full video of his in over 2 years. I just feel it was a punk move blasting those emails out. The shoulda handle it like Business men and if not that then men. Not like little gossipy school kids.
Scott HD is even worse because none of this had to do with him.... stay outta peoples business. If undrDog felt slighted enough the could of posted (still wrong) but he did it for click bait. Won’t watch another one of his videos.
My post are not in defense of Pan but to point out the other parties in this squabble are wrong... not that what he does is right.
But just to be clear I have no problem with Pan getting his money. His reviews weather liked or not get business for product makers. He should get a cut.
It’s up to whoever is watching his info to decide if the feel the info is credible. Would absolutely do the same if i created a channel that had his subscribers.
Feels like alot of folks confusing dislike for jealousy.
I know you don’t support Pan and whatever you think of him and how he conducts his business is your prerogative.
Im not speaking on that your a grown man with your opinions and you may be right but not debating that.
Just that in this instance he’s not the bad guy or wrong one.
You OK with what UndrDog and Scott HD did?
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wannafbody
wannafbody
So you admit he pocketed 16K for a glowing review of beadmaker when it`s average at best. Thank you for proving my point.
I think Scott HD called Pan out because he feels that what he`s doing is questionable from an ethics standpoint. I tend to agree.
I think Undrdog did it because they felt it was an unethical proposition as well.
Billy Baldone
New member
Glassparency is not a good product....
bob m
New member
Ok, contradicting what I said earlier about not posting, I`ll answer your because it was directed at me.
No thanks deserved, your point is not proven. I have no idea how much he was paid by Beadmaker, nor do you. But let`s say he got 16k. The product does "bead" well and its` shiny. It simply doesn`t last long at all. Yet I still see posts where people still rave about it. Perhaps a longevity test - on all reviews should be included. Reviews/comments and opinions on products can change over a course of time. But here`s a link to his current longevity test, pretty straight forward - Beadmaker included (didn`t fare too well).
https://pantheorganizer.com/two-mon...rld-test-with-20-different-paint-protectants/
Again, I`ll repeat for the last time - if the strings attached to reviewing a product were so tight, why is he "permitted" by those companies to rate rate and award other products as top dogs over theirs?
I don`t know, nor do I care who posted it - undrdog or Scott HD. But they were both involved in doing something I think is piss poor. If they think they are performing a public service and it`s such a gallant thing to do, be a man about it and keep that damn video up. End of my story.
The Guz
Mike
I could care less what underdog or Scott did. There are more important things to worry about then all parties involved.
Much more important. Like The Guz’s 2021 coating comparison.
. Thanks for doing those tests and sharing with us.