Pan The organizer fee leak lawyers involved LMAO

Fskof said:
This problem is all over youtube, not just in car detailing. I wish YouTubers or "content creators" were required to be open and transparent.
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The problem is all over the internet, not just on YouTube. I was looking at mattresses...there are several sites with comprehensive reviews...but if you keep reading you go around in circles and find that there are no negative reviews, they just have so many categories that every mattress comes up as a top one in some category, so in the end, it`s all BS.

Fskof said:
But to get paid to lie is not a good thing.....
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Is he really being paid to lie? He`s doing a promotional video. Mike Phillips does lots of promotional videos on the other forum (I guess, I haven`t been over there in a long time), and I would never suggest he lies about anything. He just points out the positive qualities of the products, and never compares them to anything else in a concrete way. At least that`s the way I remember them. I expect Pan is doing the same thing--although I haven`t watched any of his videos in a long time either. It`s a mystery to me why I still seem to not have time for anything, even though I`m not watching any detailing videos.
 
I think there is a bit of difference between a manufacturer giving a sample and asking for feedback on a product vs paying someone thousands of dollars for posting positive reviews of a product. I think that the majority of those on this site who were given samples to test over the years weren`t asked to do anything unethical.

I probably won`t watch Pan videos. My opinion is that if a reviewer is being paid to review a product they should disclose that. $16,000 is slightly different than just receiving a bottle of spray wax to review.

Everyone knows Mike Phillips is being paid by Autogeek to do product reviews. That is his job.
 
My opinion on this will most likely not be a popular one. First off I want to say that I NEVER have liked pan the organizer and what I saw hasn`t changed anything for me with regards to him, I still don`t like him.

I personally have no issue for anyone making $ on YT ( even him) - no matter how much, good for them if they can get it, if he can get a million per video, good for him. I am not jealous of him making $$ or someone on here or anywhere else selling what ever they have for what a lot of folks would say is way to much $$ ( like a car, service ...etc.)

What I do not like is when people lie / exaggerate about WHATEVER they are speaking about, not just selling or advertising / reviewing.-- to me lying is worse than stealing- but thats just me. If people want to buy into his OR ANYONE ELSE`s content on the WWW.-- well thats on them. The only caveat to that would be if someone is putting something out there that has the potential for someone to get hurt.
 
So my thoughts are who gives a crap. Worry about yourself. If the companies agree to pay those amounts then that`s between Pan and them. It`s like bashing someone because you think they charge too much for a coating job.

Hey people may not like him and I don`t really follow too many people but if he`s making money and companies are happy to oblige then oh well.
 
I think a lot of people have the feeling that Pan is not straightforward after hearing the information. He would be much better off being honest stating the company sponsored the video or it’s a paid promotion to demonstrate the product. This is where Pan falls short he leads his followers to believe that he is going to review the product while being neutral. I think a majority of viewers do not know he is being paid and I would think Pan would have want it to stay like this.

I do wonder what company told Pan to go pound sand and released his rates which I still think is hilarious and an ace move.
 
William_Wallace said:
I think a lot of people have the feeling that Pan is not straightforward after hearing the information. He would be much better off being honest stating the company sponsored the video or it’s a paid promotion to demonstrate the product. This is where Pan falls short he leads his followers to believe that he is going to review the product while being neutral. I think a majority of viewers do not know he is being paid and I would think Pan would have want it to stay like this.
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As was noted earlier in the thread--to paraphrase--"there`s a sucker born every minute". This happens in every media, and has been going on forever, celebrity endorsement, etc. I have noted many times here, when people fawn over their YouTube heroes, that it takes a lot of time and money to do good-quality videos, people don`t do it if they aren`t getting something out of it. Think about the click and brag section on this forum--what detailer routinely takes time out of their detail that they are getting paid for, to photo document, then resize, edit, upload, write a thread, if it isn`t doing something for them? It`s free advertising. I learned this a long, long time ago on this forum, when I was young(er) and naïve, and would ask questions in those kinds of threads, and I would get angry PM`s about screwing up their thread--they wanted pats on the back, not questions (great job! you`re the best!), so they could show potential clients how well received they were on a "peer-reviewed" forum.

Anyway, virtually everyone has an agenda, whether it`s your favorite YouTube hero, or your favorite TV or radio personality, or favorite actor or sports figure, they are pushing a message that benefits them, their sponsor, or their network. They get paid big bucks not because they are insightful, but for their ability to convince the viewer/listener that they are. I mean, does anyone believe Ice-T needs CarShield or that he`s so concerned about YOU that he goes on TV for free to tell you about it? Caveat emptor.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
As was noted earlier in the thread--to paraphrase--"there`s a sucker born every minute". This happens in every media, and has been going on forever, celebrity endorsement, etc. I have noted many times here, when people fawn over their YouTube heroes, that it takes a lot of time and money to do good-quality videos, people don`t do it if they aren`t getting something out of it. Think about the click and brag section on this forum--what detailer routinely takes time out of their detail that they are getting paid for, to photo document, then resize, edit, upload, write a thread, if it isn`t doing something for them? It`s free advertising. I learned this a long, long time ago on this forum, when I was young(er) and naïve, and would ask questions in those kinds of threads, and I would get angry PM`s about screwing up their thread--they wanted pats on the back, not questions (great job! you`re the best!), so they could show potential clients how well received they were on a "peer-reviewed" forum.

Anyway, virtually everyone has an agenda, whether it`s your favorite YouTube hero, or your favorite TV or radio personality, or favorite actor or sports figure, they are pushing a message that benefits them, their sponsor, or their network. They get paid big bucks not because they are insightful, but for their ability to convince the viewer/listener that they are. I mean, does anyone believe Ice-T needs CarShield or that he`s so concerned about YOU that he goes on TV for free to tell you about it? Caveat emptor.
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Good Post and agreed.
 
William_Wallace said:
I think a lot of people have the feeling that Pan is not straightforward after hearing the information. He would be much better off being honest stating the company sponsored the video or it’s a paid promotion to demonstrate the product. This is where Pan falls short he leads his followers to believe that he is going to review the product while being neutral. I think a majority of viewers do not know he is being paid and I would think Pan would have want it to stay like this.

I do wonder what company told Pan to go pound sand and released his rates which I still think is hilarious and an ace move.
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That`s a boss move on their part.

Is this the company? https://getundrdog.com/
 
I never liked Pan or his videos, mainly because you could tell he was more interested in monetizing than actually reviewing anything stringently.

That being said, it’s pretty shady to be deceiving the public & asking for astronomical fees as a shill. Good for whoever this guy is for exposing it. You see, that’s the problem when you do shady stuff - when you get caught you have the consequences to deal with. Something tells me his YT career will not be so lucrative anymore relating to detailing.

And, what is an organizer anyway?
 
Props to him though for getting his hustle on. He does have to save for his future so can’t fault him for that.

This was messed up on the GlassParency Instagram post yesterday.


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Looks like the drama is continuing. It looks like Scott from DPC has now released a video the "ambush" in Pan`s defense. Makes popcorn :)

 
Setec Astronomy said:
Think about the click and brag section on this forum--what detailer routinely takes time out of their detail that they are getting paid for, to photo document, then resize, edit, upload, write a thread, if it isn`t doing something for them? It`s free advertising. I learned this a long, long time ago on this forum, when I was young(er) and naïve, and would ask questions in those kinds of threads, and I would get angry PM`s about screwing up their thread--they wanted pats on the back, not questions (great job! you`re the best!), so they could show potential clients how well received they were on a "peer-reviewed" forum.
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I’ve never received a dollar for detailing, nor have I ever asked. I do it for fun, for friends and for family. And I’ve spent the time writing my reviews or comparisons for the sole purpose of other good, honest people on this forum to have one more example that could lead to an informed purchase (or rejection). I think what makes this forum special is that numerous folks do this to help others and not theirselves. Even most the professional detailers on here, they are showing what they’ve done to nice cars and providing way more info than what would be needed to convince a customer they make cars shiny.

And for the reasons above, Pan doesn’t fit in very well here. But he does fit into a large group out in the real world, the group that puts on a smile and says whatever you want to hear for his own monetary benefit. Many people do this, as has been mentioned. Some do it to get by, some do it for mutual benefits, Pan does it to fill his head and live a life where he feels that he is a special talent. To each their own, but “each” does not particularly fit into this forum of good people who’s main reason for being here is watch and learn.
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