Paint Softness Chart???

cchiu1026

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I've been learning about different softnesses, between different cars. Has anyone ever compiled a softness ranking in type of vehicles from make to models. If not then I think it would be helpful to compile one, I can definately get a site to post these types of things also....



Chris
 
I think that would be very hard to do, as there are so many variables.



For example, I have a client with a 2005 Honda Accord that has paint so soft it gets swirls just by looking at it. Another client has the same year, same model, same color and the paint is as hard as a rock. Both cras were built within a month of each other at the same plant.
 
My dad's A6's paint is like armor when going through the swirl-o-matic, but it also means that it takes some huge effort to get them out.
 
RP-350Z said:
VW paint is HARD



I guess this is one of those variables coming into play because Ive experienced the total opposite. My girlfriends father has an '01 black beetle that marrs if you look at it funny but during correction even the deeper marks I could take out with OP on white.
 
DieselMDX said:
what about acura?



I find Acura has a very soft clear coat and marrs easily! I have an 01 Acura CL-S ni dark blue (Aegean Pearl Blue). Being a 24/7 outside car it very hard to upkeep!
 
I guess that chart would be just for reference. Something where someone can kind of expect on a paint if they are going to do a job or if it's their own vehicle. I know that it would take a long time to do it but if you guys would like to help then deffinately it's something we can see if it comes out right. If it's hard to do or compile than may we can just leave it alone.

Thoughts???



Chris
 
I think nearly all manufacturers have soft, crummy paint nowadays. In addition, the EPA continues to set stricter guidlines for VOC (volatile organic compound) content, and manufacturers seem to be having a hard time compensating for that loss. Audi seems to be an exception.
 
tanha said:
I think nearly all manufacturers have soft, crummy paint nowadays. In addition, the EPA continues to set stricter guidlines for VOC (volatile organic compound) content, and manufacturers seem to be having a hard time compensating for that loss. Audi seems to be an exception.



I have 3 vehicles that I maintain, a 1995 BMW M3, a 1990 BMW 325i and a 2002 Toyota Tundra. The M3, which is white, is in good condition but whenever I polish it it requires serious effort to diminish any swirling or scratching. I have it in pretty decent shape now. I usually use 3M FCRC with either a rotary or PC and it leaves such a nice finish I can go right to wax. Only the rotary has removed swirling/scratches, PC does nothing except make it shiny.



The truck if fairly new to me and I just did the first detail on it. It's black and had some serious swirling from previous owner. I thought I'd use the same technique, FCRC and the rotary. It looked good....until the direct sun hit it, then man oh man, you could see the marks left by the rotary....it was horrible! I broke out the PC and some Menzerna Final Polish and that cleared that up right away. Phew!



Now, the 325i is a 17 year old car, Calypso Red in color (basically, maroon). It was totally negelected by prior owners and I have to admit, I have been using it as a winter "beater" for the past 3 years and never did a full detail on it. Anyway, I decided it was time to see what might help this poor car's paint. This car is very dull, oxidized, has lots of swirls, scratches, chips and stains. I started with rotary, maroon pad, 3M Medium Cut compound. Followed with rotary, yellow pad, 3M FCRC. Then PC, white pad and 3M Machine Glaze. Finally, a hand applied coat of 3M IHG to help hide the minor defects and coat of Blitz Wax. The car shines like crazy. The color looks deep and wet. However, under the 1000W halogen lights, I can still see swirl/scratch marks. Once again, I'd have to say that the BMW clear coat is hard as a rock. I think that much polishing on a softer car would have probably removed all the clearcoat!



There were several spots that didn't respond at all to this treatment. I guess it was bird doo that had been left on for who knows how long. And there are seveal places where the clear is just cracked like it was brittle and then flexed too far. This in on the hood, which does flex easily. I'm so disappointed in the way the hood looks compared to the rest of the car, I'm considering getting it painted! Can you say, obsession?



Anyway, that's my experience with hardness of paint.

BMW hard

Toyota soft

...at least on my vehicles.
 
I second the comment on Acura paint! I have an 03 TL type S with Nighthawk Black Pearl paint and it is vulnerable to the lightest touch.
 
01bluecls said:
I find Acura has a very soft clear coat and marrs easily! I have an 01 Acura CL-S ni dark blue (Aegean Pearl Blue). Being a 24/7 outside car it very hard to upkeep!



A while back my mom used to have a RL and the paint was super soft, but recently i think the paints are getting harder! On my 03 Accord I can take out swirls with M09, but on my sisters 04 TL (ya...i know which child my parents like more!) the paint requires several passes of #83.
 
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