Paint Sealant for layering?

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XRL

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I have reached a state of confusion somewhere between product hype, manufacturer claims, and product categorization.



What I'm looking for is some sort of a Paint sealant to apply as a base coat. On Autogeek they often talk about layering something like the Wolfgang Sealant underneath a Souveran Wax, or that sort of idea. The idea is that the sealant seals the pores, while the carnauba wax on top gives it the deep shine, and if you want to put a glaze on top for it to look extra special nice, you can do that too. Am I totally mistaken in my understanding of these products?



It seems like often any non carnauba based synthetic waxes get named as sealants. still others are the products that need to be left on the vehicle in a dry place (like inside a garage) for 12-24 hours.



What I'm looking to do is to use Dawn or something else to get all the layers of wax off, then apply the sealant, let it sit for 12-24 hours, and then proceed ahead with a carnauba wax and possibly a glaze on top for the extra pop. I had been looking at the Wolfgang Sealant and the Surf City Garage package that comes with the sealant and the glaze. Does anyone have any other product recommendations for this sort of setup? Or any insight into those two products? Or am I going about this in a completely stupid and misinformed way?



Thanks.
 
I wouldn't put glaze on top as a last step unless you're entering an auto show. The glaze just won't last long at all. If you want to use a glaze to hopefully "up" the glossiness, use it under the sealant.
 
+1 for wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant 3.0. If you do the sealant, you could try the P21S 100% and pinnicle signature series II carnuba's, instead of souveran paste.



First off. What color is your car?
 
I've used the 105 with nice results. One option is the Danase Sealant as it cures immediately for layering rather than waiting 12-24 hours for 105...Looks pretty good too. I actually sandwich Danase Wet Glaze in between and it gives off a terrific shine.
 
XRL- Noting that I no longer do the sealant-and-wax combos (but rather just use one or the other depending on the vehicle, with the sorta-exception of my Jag), there seem to be two different approaches to it being suggested:



-AIO type product with wax topper

-Durable sealant with wax topper



The AIOs do leave a little something behind (some much more than others) but they don't give the sort of protection that more durable sealants offer; they're more like paint cleaners that leave a little something behind that can add a bit to the appearance. And by "durable sealant" I mean something that really provides some kind of special protection, which is *not* true of all sealants.



E.g., while I really like UPP on my S8, it needs redone at least as often as waxes and I can't imagine any reason to apply it and then put a wax over top of it. The same goes for BlackFire sealant and I *suspect* that the same might hold true for the Wolfgang. I've *never used Wolfgang* but from what I've read here it sounds like something in the UPP/BF camp as opposed to something like Klasse SG, Zaino, or FK1000P (those are what I think of as "durable sealants").



You might find that you like the look of a given sealant all by itself, don't think the wax topper is mandatory.



And I wouldn't bother with the glaze either, you'd just have to redo it after the next wash. Maybe for a show (and that's one big "maybe" IMO) but I sure wouldn't bother for a driver.



Note that the wax topper will need redone after a while (unless you use a very durable wax, which would sorta make the sealant unnecessary). After you do this a few times the old "dead" wax will need cleaned off. Doing that cleaning without also taking off the sealant would be a pretty tall order (though you *might* be able to do it with Sonus green Ultrafine clay). SO if you really do want to use both a wax and a sealant, I'd use the AIO-type for the sealant and then redo both it and the wax when refreshing the wax (alone) no longer gives optimal results. FWIW that's what I do on my Jag- AutoGlym SRP topped with Souveran. FWIW#2 that car's a garage-queen and I'd never bother doing stuff like that on a driver.



Oh, and don't over-estimate the LSP-stripping ability of Dawn. Lots of products are *not* removed by a Dawn wash.
 
Accumulator said:
XRL- Noting that I no longer do the sealant-and-wax combos (but rather just use one or the other depending on the vehicle, with the sorta-exception of my Jag), there seem to be two different approaches to it being suggested:



-AIO type product with wax topper

-Durable sealant with wax topper



The AIOs do leave a little something behind (some much more than others) but they don't give the sort of protection that more durable sealants offer; they're more like paint cleaners that leave a little something behind that can add a bit to the appearance. And by "durable sealant" I mean something that really provides some kind of special protection, which is *not* true of all sealants.



E.g., while I really like UPP on my S8, it needs redone at least as often as waxes and I can't imagine any reason to apply it and then put a wax over top of it. The same goes for BlackFire sealant and I *suspect* that the same might hold true for the Wolfgang. I've *never used Wolfgang* but from what I've read here it sounds like something in the UPP/BF camp as opposed to something like Klasse SG, Zaino, or FK1000P (those are what I think of as "durable sealants").



You might find that you like the look of a given sealant all by itself, don't think the wax topper is mandatory.



And I wouldn't bother with the glaze either, you'd just have to redo it after the next wash. Maybe for a show (and that's one big "maybe" IMO) but I sure wouldn't bother for a driver.



Note that the wax topper will need redone after a while (unless you use a very durable wax, which would sorta make the sealant unnecessary). After you do this a few times the old "dead" wax will need cleaned off. Doing that cleaning without also taking off the sealant would be a pretty tall order (though you *might* be able to do it with Sonus green Ultrafine clay). SO if you really do want to use both a wax and a sealant, I'd use the AIO-type for the sealant and then redo both it and the wax when refreshing the wax (alone) no longer gives optimal results. FWIW that's what I do on my Jag- AutoGlym SRP topped with Souveran. FWIW#2 that car's a garage-queen and I'd never bother doing stuff like that on a driver.



Oh, and don't over-estimate the LSP-stripping ability of Dawn. Lots of products are *not* removed by a Dawn wash.
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^+1 The wolfgang DGPS looks great by itself. You could do 2 coats of that and be fine for months. I only use the combo on my garage kept car, that is a weekend warrior only. I switching to fuzion by itself this spring, after my spring detail. I hate being handcuffed by this horroble winter. there are so many new things I'd like to try.
 
I vote for DPS since it can be layered right away and lasts a pretty long time. I put a single coat on a Yaris I did last October and it's still going strong.
 
I have tried the layering sealant/wax thing a few times and never saw any benefit to it. On the other hand, I've never been that comfortable putting a wax or sealant (non-cleaning) directly onto bare paint. Maybe I'm Zaino-ized and overly concerned about bonding problems. I found Prime Carnauba and tried it since I've never been let down by other Werkstat products. This was no different. Pretty easy to use, and it looks great. I think it has carnauba and acrylic content. I use it under Collinite 915 and the combination seems to last quite a while. At least for now, this is my Carnauba pre-cleaner.





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WERKSTAT Detailing: Prime
 
wfedwar said:
I found Prime Carnauba and tried it since I've never been let down by other Werkstat products. This was no different. Pretty easy to use, and it looks great. I think it has carnauba and acrylic content. I use it under Collinite 915 and the combination seems to last quite a while. At least for now, this is my Carnauba pre-cleaner.





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WERKSTAT Detailing: Prime
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I agree, Prime Carnauba is an excellent base for waxes.
 
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