Paint Protectant?!?!

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turbologist

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My friend just bought a new G35 this weekend and the dealer told her that she needs a paint sealant ( or protectant) on her car because the G35's paint is a water based paint....



They charge $400.00 for this process and I really feel like this is just a scam to get some more money out her...



Is there any truth to this? Should she get it done? TIA
 
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~One mans opinion / observation~



Due to environmental issues most car paint is ‘water based’.I don’t know how “New� the vehicle is but I would check before applying a wax or sealant.



How long do you have to wait before you can polish or wax a new paint film surface? A glaze contains a protective polymer that is paint able. It is completely safe for fresh paint, as it allows the solvents to evaporate. I do not know of a single paint manufacture that recommends applying wax, or any type of paint protectant until a minimum of 30 days has passed and sometimes longer. Dupont standard is to wait 90 days if the vehicle is out in the elements and to wait 120 days if it is kept in a garage most of the time.

It can be argued that catalysed paints are cured chemically and there is no need to wait for 30 days, the manufacture knows their products best, seek their advice and heed it.



“They charge $400.00 for this process and I really feel like this is just a scam� Yes it is!



~ Hope this helps ~



Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
 
Thanks....The car is an 04....I know that you are supposed to wait for some time before applying wax to a newly painted car but Im not sure how long it has been since the car was painted....I'll check the jamb and see what the production date is...Not that she wants to wax it immediately...



They were showing her all kinds of pics of what can happen to a untreated surface, blah , blah...



I think they were just trying to take advantage of a "girl"...



So is that all they basically end up doing, a wax job?
 
You mean a paintable glaze job right? Wax will seal the paint (unless the recommended paint cure time has expired)
 
turbologist said:
My friend just bought a new G35 this weekend and the dealer told her that she needs a paint sealant ( or protectant) on her car because the G35's paint is a water based paint....



They charge $400.00 for this process and I really feel like this is just a scam to get some more money out her...



Is there any truth to this? Should she get it done? TIA
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If you check, generally those are services offered by the dealership (and may or may not be recommended from the manufacturer) as another way for them to squeeze a few more dollars out of someone.



When I just got the new vehicle, they tried selling me on a polymer paint sealant and rust protection (both were Mopar products). So, at that point you're buying a service and product from the dealership not the manufacturer which may null and void certain pieces of coverage from the manufacturer.



Point in case: On a previous vehicle, I was told by the manufacture that they do not recommend rust treatment. From their studies, cars with rust treatment fail from rust problems more frequently because of the way it is applied to the vehicle (drilling, etc.). Based on that, they do not provide warranty coverage against rust if you opt for the treatment. If there is a problem you can only get legal recourse with the dealership. Which could be a nightmare...since they already got your money.



In anycase, would you let a friend pay someone $400 to allow some pinhead with a rotary to apply anything to her car? Just my 2 cents...but buy some Klasse and help her apply it...it saves the car from swirl-ville and about $375. :)
 
haha....Thanks for all the feedback guys....I told her to make sure she opts out of that BS....



I agree, Ill get her some wax and help her wax it...On top of that, it will get me some brownie points....:D
 
turbologist- Short answers (for me ;) ) - Unless the car has had paintwork done between the factory and you, it's almost certainly safe to wax it. The stuff they're trying to sell her is NOT worth buying and their sales pitch about the special needs of water-based paint are BS. Just treat it like any other car, with the product of your choice. EVERY car needs SOME kind of protection.



Reevis- Actually, that MOPAR paint sealant stuff isn't too bad. It's made by AutoInt/ValueGuard and it's OK stuff. But it's no miracle product, as the maker will tell you, just another wax/sealant (that you can buy really cheap).
 
WOW....I never thought they can screw a car up that bad....This is a brand spankin new car and I dont want them screwing up the paint on a new car...



I even suggested that she not even let them do the initial dealer prep but she went ahead n let them....:rolleyes:
 
turbologist

Before you do anything to the car, CLAY it to pull the crap out of and off of the paint. Maybe a good polishing with Menzerna's FP then some sort of a sealant like AIO & SG (3 layers) before the waxing. Or whatever you like, but clay first.
 
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turbologist said:
...and the dealer told her that she needs a paint sealant ( or protectant) on her car because the G35's paint is a water based paint....
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Heh heh, funny that *I* didn't already push the claying on this thread. For clay, I do OK with anything EXCEPT Meguiar's. Mother's and Clay Magic are usually available locally.



For wash, you're gonna get a million opinions, but *I* like Griot's Car Wash the best. I will say that you wouldn't go wrong with the NXT wash either, if you wanted to keep things simple. There're no real NXT/car wash compatibility issues, so a search on wash, soap, shampoo, etc. will get you more info than you'll know what to do with ;)
 
Paint on a new car is ready to wax the day you get it and it needs protection against airborne contaminants and UV rays. Modern paint systems are catalyzed chemically with additives and completely cure in a few days max. That outgassing hype is back from the laquer paint days when wax would actually "smother" and cloud the paint as it would entrap the solvents that were released in the slow curing process.



In modern factory paint systems this does not apply....think about it...how does your paint breathe with a layer of clear over it?



AS for the paint sealants.....listen to everyone here. It is a BIG moneymaker for the dealer as it costs about 30-40 bucks when farmed out and generic products are used (nothing that is gonna last 3 months not alone 3 yrs as claimed). Pass on that and wax it yourself.
 
DETAILKING said:
Pass on that and wax it yourself.
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Yea thats what Im gonna end up doing....Thanks for all your guys help...I never figured I would get so many thoughtful responses....:bigups



Now, how do I get my hands on that $400 I just saved her.....;)
 
Wanna feel better about sealing a new car? Check the build date, on the driver's door. If it is more than 1 month old, you will have no problems, at all.



I agree that modern paints are fully cured when they leave the OEM booth. REFINISH paints used in the aftermarket do require a curing period. They are different.



Jim
 
You can trust your friendly dealer to bleed you for every penny they can get and that's ALL you can trust them to do.



I would not go near my dealer once I had my new truck in my hands. I detail it and I have qualified after-market mechanics work on it when needed.



I don't know what I'll do if warrantee work is needed. I do know that if they have to work on it I'll have my salesman, the sales manager and the service manager going crazy because of my constant "attention" to what is going on with my truck.



Sorry dealers but you have burnt me several times over my 60 years on this planet and you'll not get any more trust or good words from me. I even had a "friend" who owned the dealership put the screws to me. No trust for ANY dealer EVER again. Begin with the assumption they are out to screw you and you might be able to avoid getting hurt. (rant over)
 
Well my mother is looking at getting a new Ford Territory and went to a heap of dealerships getting brochures

She noticed this one and I immediately read it and have sent them a pretty interesting EMAIL



The product they use is ASTROLGLAZE which to no ones amazement contains TEFLON.

Did a search on the web and you can get a gallon of this stuff from the US for $27.95. Talk about rubbish

The dealership apply three coats and offer a three year warranty and they will contact you after 18 months for re application



WHAT CRAP. This family ain't fallin for that jive
 
here are some pics of the brochure she got
 

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See what you can find on ASTROGLAZE. Another teflon rip off I'd say.



Dealer Installed Swirls here we go again.
 

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