Paint overspray removal is a specialized field

Jeff Suggs said:
Check out one of the videos where am restoring textured cowl panels, this is located where you wiper blades are. I also polish those parts to a mirror finish. Why has no one ever done this on this forum ? The wiper blades and other trim and moldings pieces are part of the vehicle too. Your not detailing a vehicle 100% if your not polishing every piece of the vehicle as demonstrated in my videos.
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Because, Jeff, there are UV inhibitors in those trim parts which by "polishing them to a mirror finish" you are compromising. Unless you are applying a product that is proven to restore long-term UV protection after you are done modifying those components of the vehicle (no, you are not returning them to factory-spec condition) you have caused a condition which may actually accelerate their deterioration.



Detailing a vehicle 100% in the sense of your specialty means returning the vehicle to pre-damage condition unless the customer specifically wants you to perform modifications (and in that case you should be disclosing to them the risks of polishing trim components and not properly applying a UV protection product, assuming you're not doing so).



Thus far, you have proven yourself incapable of projecting an attitude that is not rude, condescending, and preachy. You're not going to win favor with anyone by acting that way.
 
Jeff, did you get the PM I sent you a couple weeks ago? Asking if you were ever in my area (since you travel all over doing what we can't) would you be willing to show me your processes in person? I think we should all offer this invitation to Jeff, to show us his stuff in person, since he must be in at least one of our areas at some point as he travels all over doing this. That way we can end all this squabbling and prove/disprove once and for all if what he's preaching here is actually true. Let one of us watch what you do in person and also do an IPA wipedown, get some good sun shots of the results that we can post up here so all can see your work with the proper camera angles and lighting? Now before you go attacking this post Jeff, just notice I am not saying what you do is wrong or right, I am giving you the opportunity to prove it is what you say, without the internet between us. If you won't do this, then we all know why. What do you say?
 
I'm just curious how much research was done on anyone's work not being featured in any magazines?

Especially US and Europe.



I know of this technique but it is getting overshadowed with personal hype. No offense. It just takes away from those curious of the process.



I know of a well known VW Donut Bus that was bladed and featured in a European magazine to name one.



Edit: I took other countries and web ads in the same context as written media.
 
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I actually wish we were having a meaningful discussion on overspray removal, other than the arguing.



Maybe after this thread we can start something informative?
 
IHA Mark said:
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I actually wish we were having a meaningful discussion on overspray removal, other than the arguing.



Maybe after this thread we can start something informative?
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Before the advent of detailer’s clay it was a common practice to remove paint-overspray with a one-sided razor blade and a surface lubricant or by polishing the surface with a compound / polish and a wool pad. Surface contaminates were removed with a polish or by wet-sanding, but these are methods are very invasive and will remove clear coat.



Detailer's clay is now routinely used by OEM's, professional detailer's, vehicle auctions and body shops as a simple, safe way to remove paint over-spray, tree sap and industrial fallout from both vehicle paint and chrome and glass surfaces.



The malleable clay bar is rapidly being superseded by the Surface Prep Towel





“Nanoskin Surface Prep Towel” - http://www.autopia.org/forum/autopia-detailing-wiki/141207-nanoskin-surface-prep-towel.html
 
It's been said that if you put 10 carpet cleaners in a room with a dirty carpet, you'd have 10 methods for cleaning it. I think that applies to removing over-spray as well. I guess if someone or group wanted to do a Consumer Reports type of testing, then we might get some data - but, it would have to be an independant third party setting up the tests. Otherwise, can we all just agree that there is more than one way to resolve this issue and let it go?
 
Sort of felt bad for the guy with everyone beating him up until I read his responses on his YouTube videos talking about peoples mothers and sisters. Now, I'm completely OK with the beating up part.
 
JuneBug that is one of the best replies to all the stupid remarks by myself and others. I have nothing to prove to anyone. You guys need to stop trying to think of negative comments about me or my work and come up with something new for a change. I will never put a solvent on any paint job for any reason. I have videos of repairs done, then the vehicles are taken outside under direct sunlight. I then film them in HD a inch away from the paint. You can see the metal flake in the paint. There are 241 videos and you all have only looked at a few. Like i said before it was not me, but one of your members "raskyI" or whatever that took one of my videos and linked it here and everyone started commenting on things they really have no clue about. This is not the only forum, meguiarsOnline, and detailingbliss members made comments also. I waited for two years, and the people that run these forums let it go on. This is what detailingbliss members had to say, word for word DetailingBliss Allows Members To Slander Jeff Suggs For Over 2 Years ! | Polyurethane Spray Foam Insulation Overspray
 
The only reason these forums have let this go on is for free search optimization. When we have these stupid post on these sites they end up on Google search results. this is a great way for these forums to get new members at my expense. I will link the google search results for "paint overspray removal companies". I have seen some of the work that you all call great from "Gary Dean" and others that was not even close to what is done in my videos. Check out the black Mercedes SUV that he did and mentioned to everyone in the video not to use a razor blade on paint. he was right about that. But the work sucked and everyone told him how great the job was. The vehicle's clear-coat was damaged. He did not show any cleaning of the vehicle in his video. Just a lot of talk and damage done, that is it. Anyway this forum and others need to stop riding on my back for search results. I need everyone including the the people that run these forums to stop commenting and about me and I will cancel my membership today. Also to end the post for last two years. Someone tell me why they have not done this yet. This would a much better forum if i was not involved. I would have never been involved if you guys would stop commenting on things you can't figure out. i work all day and then work out at night at the GYM, and its late when i reply on these forums. by then am very tired and miss spell things and get pissed off for no real reason. Lets end this guys.https://www.google.com/search?q=paint+overspray+removal+companies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
I have made some bad comments about other members, but take the time to see what was said about me first. I have had enough of all this, its not my way. not all the members on these forums have made negative comments, its the same people on all these forums that are doing it. I would like see if they are as brave in person as they are behind a key board. No more comments from you guys and no more riding on my back for free search optimization results hoping someone will jump in on all these negative talk and join your sites. I will cancel all memberships, if this ends today. I have a 100 plus group of very high end vehicles to repair in Dubai and would not like someone from there or the insurance company to see all the stupid comments from all of us involved. Its my fault for buying into all this point less conversations. All of the major insurance companies, magazines, websites from all over the world, web ads and everything else means much more to me then going back and forth with the members of these forums. google search results for detailingbliss https://www.google.com/search?q=paint+overspray+removal+companies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=detailingbliss&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&psj=1&ei=aocYUIz0B-ThiAKU_oGwAQ&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=cc4eb5510b8b5357&biw=1680&bih=857
 
***** your work sucked on that Mercedes, and everyone but your buddies know it. I would have never put that kind of work on youtube. Why is it that you talk more then you demonstrate your work? I have nothing against you *****. You are the one that put me into your video when you mentioned the razor blade. That was directed towards me. I have never made a video with you in mind. The work you did damaged the vehicle's clear-coat. You guys are always saying to me to put some solvent on a paint that I have repaired, to prove my work. Your work was sub-standard at best. you and your friends are just lying to each other. That is why your customer had not used you in such a long time, as you mentioned in your video. He was scared to ! This is how its done
 
Again, i edit because what i posted feeds into the nonsense here and it lacks the professionalism that i should present. This subject is just not worth my time.
 
Jeff Suggs said:
The only reason these forums have let this go on is for free search optimization. When we have these stupid post on these sites they end up on Google search results. this is a great way for these forums to get new members at my expense. I will link the google search results for "paint overspray removal companies".
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Can I ask a simple question? What was the original purpose of this thread? You spam the forum with all your videos and keywords and then wonder why it might turn up in a search for those keywords? How many search engine results your name generates or how many videos you've posted means nothing to your credibility, even more so when you've created them all yourself. I'm not going to criticize your work like some might, because frankly I think your videos speak for themselves, but what does name calling and trying to defame respected detailers such as Garry do for yourself? You accuse Detailing Bliss of slander (even you don't seem to know the definition of that word,) but all the search engine results that you posted for that site that link back to you were created by you. It seems your only purpose here is to discredit others and promote your own name while doing a poor job of both.
 
Jeff Suggs said:
I have made some bad comments about other members, but take the time to see what was said about me first. I have has enough all this, its not my way. not all the members on these forums have made negative comments, its the same people on all these forums that are doing it. I would like see if they are as brave in person as they are behind a key board. No more comments from you guys and no more riding on my back for free search optimization results hoping someone will jump in on all these negative talk and join your sites. I will cancel all memberships if this ends today. I have a 100 plus group of very high end vehicles to repair in Dubai and would not like someone from there or the insurance company to see all the stupid comments form all of us involved. Its my fault for buying into all this point less conversations. All of the major insurance companies, magazines, websites from all over the world, web ads and everything else means much more to me then going back and forth with the members of these forums.
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Jeff,



Perhaps you have forgotten who the OP is on this thread.



This forum went for > 7 months without a post from you. With the exception of perhaps a passing comment in reference to past threads your name was all but forgotten. Then two weeks ago you posted a valid, respectful question. It was simply misplaced and it was suggested you start a new thread with the question in order to increase the chances of getting the response you were looking for. Charlie even provided a link to help you out. You then started this thread with an insult to every detailer here and you have yet to ask your question. So don't for a minute attempt to blame anyone else for starting this.



If you have nothing to prove, fine. Go on and make money doing what you do and leave us to do the same. You could very well be the best there is at over-spray removal. If that is the case there is no better advertising you could get than an endorsement from some of the top detailers across the country. We don't all have to see the work first hand. Just one person who is respected reporting their observations is all it would take. (Video of an entire such session would be phenomenal.) Perhaps you have something to teach us. Perhaps you could learn something from us. Not because you or we intend to use the information to make money, but simply to understand from the other side's point of view. There is no doubt that the vehicles you show look better when you finish. You are a paint removal specialist, not a detailer.



So to summarize; there are two ways to get these type of threads to stop. 1.) Don't post. It worked for 7 months. 2.) Invite one of the detailers who doubts you to inspect your work first hand, not only to teach, but also to have an open mind to learn from them.
 
Jeff Suggs said:
I would like see if they are as brave in person as they are behind a key board. No more comments from you guys and no more riding on my back for free search optimization results hoping someone will jump in on all these negative talk and join your sites.
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Jeff Suggs said:
Garry your work sucked on that Mercedes, and everyone but your buddies know it. I would not have never put that kind of work on youtube. Why is it that you talk more then you demonstrate your work? Your work was sub-standard at best. you and your friends are just lying to each other. That is why your customer had not used you in such a long time, as you mentioned in your video. He was scared to !
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Mr. Jeff Suggs and everyone else involved in this thread>>>>



STOP NOW!!! :hand::nono:tape:



This is a discussion forum, not a dog & pony show to disrespect members. We are here to professionally discuss detailing. If you don't have anything productive to add, then leave.



I responded to your comments above in a civil and professional manner, but you choose to go a different patch. You need to get your act together and start over. I think you have alot of valueable info to share as long as you keep your ego at the door. This forum is filled with very accomplished detailers and just because they focus their efforts differently then you doesn't give you the right to look down on them. I also feel that many comment that some people made to you were not in good taste as well. So from this point on, if you are willing to conduct yourself in a professional and productive manner then by all means..continue. If you don't and keep on the way you are all will have no other choice then to ban you. So, from here on out...choose the right patch.



Jeff Suggs said:
By the way for everyone that thinks wet-sanding will not void the factory warranty, call any dealership and ask them for yourself. This greatly diminishes the clear-coat, think about it your wet-sanding the top layer of the clear-coat. You then have to use a compound to buff it out. I would like to see someone take a vehicle under direct sun light as I do in lots of my videos, a few weeks later after the vehicle has been washed.
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Jeff - Like I said in my last reply, my shop has been doing warranty paint repairs for 15 different new car dealers for over a 2 decades. I am very familiar with the standards and workflows the OEM's incorporate into doing this. I can honest way that your comment is not accurate. Yes, excessive reduction of the film build is not allowed, but there are many different levels of sanding as well as other methods for overspray and fallout removal available. I can gaurantee that blading is not a recommended workflow and is not recognized by any paint manufacturer or car company. I'm not knocking what you do, but like someone else mentioned, there are several ways to skin a cat.



Jeff Suggs said:
The only reason these forums have let this go on is for free search optimization. When we have these stupid post on these sites they end up on Google search results. this is a great way for these forums to get new members at my expense.
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I would be willing to bet that this forum has not gained anything productive or respectful with this bickering. We gain membership by productive and professional discussion and problem solving. Again, I would be hopeful that you choose to benefit from this as well.
 
Jeff Suggs said:
"Its not bragging if your telling the truth"
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You + Are = "You're", not "Your". Call me a grammar nazi, but if you're trying to make a cogent argument for your views, at least have the courtesy to check your spelling and grammar.



I'm not belittling your technique, though I think there are some valid concerns raised in regard to how you finish out the cars (such as that big orbital you use; there's no way it's "removing all the swirls" as you claim in so many of your videos with you a) using a wool pad, and b) moving it too fast across the paint to let it do its work—orbitals need time), but my problem is that you keep claiming that you're the only person on the planet using this technique. Just because you can't find a video on youtube or a reference on the first page of your Google search doesn't mean you're the only person using the technique.



You've found a market that needs your service and you've been successful, I respect that. I wish we could all be that successful. But have you ever considered that when an entire detailing community (many of which have been professional detailers and restorers for years and years) take issue with your technique, they might actually have some valid concerns?



But hey, what do I know, right? I only have a few posts.
 
Jeff, at this point, I've read through several of the threads that you've brought up and I've noticed a recurring theme: you say that you want to pass your technique on, but then never disclose anything about what you're doing with your razor blade. Could you tell us more about how you're utilizing the blade to cut through the overspray without damaging the paint? Things like hand pressure, angle of the blade on the paint, types of blades being used, how to tell where the overspray stops and the paint begins - that sort of thing - would be useful for anyone wanting to try this technique, no?
 
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