Paint Darkening = Cheap Chemical Staining, Comments?

I was around when the Megs fiasco happened, but you shouldn't automatically tar everyone with the same brush. If this poster is sincere and there is no coersion/manipulating by Megs, then he should be free to post his results. As you say; this forum is about discussion.



If I was selected to beta-test a product and was permitted by the manufacturer to talk about the results, I would, regardless of forum paranoia! I'd be honest; good or bad.



BlueZero shouldn't be made to carry the burden of Megs previous 'sins' - real or imagined.



BlueZero, if you're sincere and honest without any alterior motives and feel you're not being manipulated, then feel free to post away!!!!! Just don't break any forum rules, ok? :up
 
BlueZero said:
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That's fine with me. Really sorry Gen2 and everyone else.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: We're a jumpy lot sometimes..you'll get use to it. :D



Setec, I didn't mean you to retract anything. :o Sorry for my tone...I get a bit too much of an advocate sometimes. :(
 
Alfisti said:
Setec, I didn't mean you to retract anything. :o Sorry for my tone...I get a bit too much of an advocate sometimes. :(
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I thought you were suggesting we take this to a new thread. Nothing wrong with your tone.
 
Gen2 said:
Credentials ??? Nothing that I know of except whatever claims he made in his postings. Evidence or proof...none. As for the tone, you have not seen the worst yet.



It seems like the direction of the postings have shifted from the original topic, maybe some other fellow members here who have knowledge on the topic can share some information here. Perhaps some advice from chemists or products developers will be even better.
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So the guy is spouting like a fountain :(



I guess you could always email Pinnacle or whoever and ask them about this rambler's concerns and hypothesis but I am not sure how they would take it. Perhaps they could explain how their formulations work in a basic sense and you could forward that on.
 
BlueZero said:
That's fine with me. Really sorry Gen2 and everyone else.
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Hey BlueZero, that's no need to apologize and actually I appreciate your contribution to the discussion. Keep the posting coming if you happen to have more information to add, cheers.



99blackSE said:
I guess you could always email Pinnacle or whoever and ask them about this rambler's concerns and hypothesis but I am not sure how they would take it. Perhaps they could explain how their formulations work in a basic sense and you could forward that on.
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That's a good suggestion, thanks. I am hoping I can get more feedback from Autopia because 'Mr S' does not think I can learn much from here.
 
I did a search here and didn't find an answer so I also searched Meguiar's and found some information that Mike Phillips posted regarding the subject of darkening. I know, I know, bringing up Meguiar's again. But I think it's some good information on the subject. :)



"When it comes to the word darkening, another way to think of it is you're making the clear coat more clear and that's a good thing!



Each Saturday at our Detailing Class here at Meguiar's, I bring up this ridiculous subject of how the misinformed on other forums are always trying to make the case that darkening the paint is a bad thing, (I know the topic very well as well as the people that post such tripe).



Then in front of the eyes of 20 to 30 people, I show them first hand how much better their paint looks by making the paint more clear which tends to make the paint appear darker. In most cases, all you've really done is increased clarity, darkening can be thought of adding richness and who doesn't want their paint to look rich in color? Besides restoring or increasing clarity, the polishing oils used in many of Meguiar's products to darken, or add richness to paint, (especially single stage paints), and this increase in richness brings out the beauty of a paint by increasing depth, gloss, reflectivity, etc. All positive characteristics that car enthusiasts strive for in their car's finish."
 
For once I agree with mike - when the paint has less marring it reflects light less, and appears darker. Check out some before and afters in the c&b section - in the befores the marring often makes the picture appear lighter, in the afters the lack of marring makes it appear darker. Less to reflect off of. When dealing with LSP's and non perfect paint products that fill often look "darker" because they fill and make the paint look less marred.



In any event, I give this thread 3 "whatevers" and a side of "ok, sure".
 
BlueZero - WOW, thanks for sharing this information. Not saying this information is the absolute true but at least it comes from someone with credentials.



Keep them coming guys if you have more to share :) .
 
Picus said:
For once I agree with mike - when the paint has less marring it reflects light less, and appears darker. Check out some before and afters in the c&b section - in the befores the marring often makes the picture appear lighter, in the afters the lack of marring makes it appear darker. Less to reflect off of. When dealing with LSP's and non perfect paint products that fill often look "darker" because they fill and make the paint look less marred.



In any event, I give this thread 3 "whatevers" and a side of "ok, sure".
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While it's true that a properly prepped finish will have less stray light reflection and may well appear darker than an un-prepped surface but what we are talking about here is how an LSP darkens a properly prepped finish.



Take a look at this thread and you will see what I mean. Some LSP's do give a darker appearance and this is caused by the products reflection and refraction of light, not the elimination of underlying swirls.



http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/thread/36894.aspx
 
Thanks for the link, Jim. :up The darkening effect of this new formula is remarkable.



I'm sorry, but I don't entirely buy Mike Phillips explanation...it makes little sense. Different LSP have different darkening effects on the same perfectly prepped finished. And some are known for their amazing clarity.



I remember applying NXT to a metallic-reddish XK120 Jag. I never liked the look of the colour...looked a bit pink in some lights. Use to have S100 on it before. After applying NXT the colour went much darker and looked amazing! I didn't tell the owner what I had done, and to which of his 9 Jags I did it too. When he came out he looked at his collection and immediately noticed the the XK120! He asked what did I do? I told him and he was impressed. Funny thing is, after about 6 weeks the paint lost its darkening effect and went back to the regular colour. It had not been driven, and kept inside a custom-built warehouse. The paint was still slick and the LSP was still sound.



Bottom line...something IN the LSP creates the darkening effect and its temporary.
 
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