Pad Equivalence Chart? Worth making or not?

Sveta

New member
There are so many lines/grades of DA pads available that I was wondering if a "pad chart" might be worth making.



I'm limited in what brands I've used and can compare, but I often wondered if the DAS Sonus green is the "exact same level" of polishing/cut ability as say the green Edge pad. Just what hair splitting difference is there between a blue Edge, green edge and a CMA white polish pad?



Maybe this "list or chart" can be expanded into what products/pad match up, what pad/products overlap, and such. (Lots of room to argue here! What fun.)



Maybe this is a waste of time, impossible or not needed, but if somebody experienced enough would like to tackle this, it might be helpful to beginners and newer PC users like myself. Pads and products are talked about so often I thought it might be worth having a go at an Autopian PAD and PRODUCT Chart. If nobody does, I'll give it a try and then sit back and let the crowd rip it apart.;) If you think it's a waste of time, say so if you like.
 
I actually though this would be a useful guide too. There are so many different brands of pads that are described as "polishing". I'm not sure if my reasoning is right, but if you can find the pores per inch for LC, Meguiars and Sonus pads, then you can list them from abrasive to non-abrasive. I know if you go Edgepads.com they have a list of how many pores there pads are. I started the list accordingly to Edgepads.com

40 pores per inch = "Black" Heavy Cut

50 pores per inch = "Yellow" Medium Cut

60 pores per inch = "Green" Light Cut

70 pores per inch = "Blue" Finish

80 pores per inch = "White" Ultrafine Polish

If anyone wants to add to this list go ahead.
 
I bet that if this list is accurate we could talk David into putting in his next ebook for reference. I think it's a good idea.
 
Great idea- especially for the beginners! I was actually searching for something exactly like this the other day!!
 
You are all truly obsessive!



JohnnyDaJackal lists five levels -- I bet in real life, you never need to worry about more than three. If you use one level (of the five) above or below the "ideal" for your application, it's no big deal. When a pad of a certain grade wears out, just buy a good-quality replacement from a reputable retailer. Even in the worst-case scenario, it won't be too different from what you need.
 
MartyGrant said:
There are so many lines/grades of DA pads available that I was wondering if a "pad chart" might be worth making.



I'm limited in what brands I've used and can compare, but I often wondered if the DAS Sonus green is the "exact same level" of polishing/cut ability as say the green Edge pad. Just what hair splitting difference is there between a blue Edge, green edge and a CMA white polish pad?



Maybe this "list or chart" can be expanded into what products/pad match up, what pad/products overlap, and such. (Lots of room to argue here! What fun.)



Maybe this is a waste of time, impossible or not needed, but if somebody experienced enough would like to tackle this, it might be helpful to beginners and newer PC users like myself. Pads and products are talked about so often I thought it might be worth having a go at an Autopian PAD and PRODUCT Chart. If nobody does, I'll give it a try and then sit back and let the crowd rip it apart.;) If you think it's a waste of time, say so if you like.





A chart like that would be EXTREMELY valuable to us newbies! :up
 
Great idea :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs



(I also think that the 'Polish Abrasion Chart' that was done a while back was a great help for Autopia Univ.)



Unrelated ...an Autopia definition of Polish-Compound- Cleaner Wax-etc would also be a great help



JonM
 
dternst said:
I did a chart for Detailer's Paradise almost a year ago. Goto the Detailer's Paradise website. Click on FAQ and select Pad Selection Chart. Currently has LC pads listed for a limited number of polishes.



Pad to Polish Selection Chart



Link is now fixed...



You did a great job, dternst!



If and when more data and such is gathered, perhaps you could be talked into lending your considerable skills to this project. I think you have the experience to be the "author" of a larger universal effort? Don't mean to impose the thought on you, but you already have a pretty good resume. Just say the word and you can be be the Project Director or Chairperson...or any other exalted title you may consider worthy of your contribution. Maybe?

--------------------------



Perhaps Clutch Cargo has a valid point? It does seem simplistic, but looking at dternst work it seems to me some things aren't always obvious to beginners. Really liked the "pad types" part of his work. Very nice.



As I said earlier, I am not familiar with more then CMA, SFX, Sonus DAS, Edge pads and another "LC" line sold by someone I have forgotten now. Meguiar's, LC 7.5", etc. are missing data for me.

------------------------------



JOHNNYDAJACKAL makes a great point about the pores per inch standard, and if that isn't affected by differences in foam materials and shapes much then it could be a way to group pads, assuming that pores per inch would be like apples to apples. The other imformation I don't know is which pads are say "LC foam" for instance and are sold under house names with various velcro backing size differences. I know something here and there that I have read bits and pieces of information along these lines. Could have seperate columns for VC ,flat etc., OR properly group them together under some kind of "gets similiar results" matrix.



-----------------

What got me thinking about a chart was my recent experiments with the SFX pads. "Aggressive pad" has a whole new meaning to me now. I had no trouble going through some test junker car's CC with DACP with a SFX2 pad worked at 5-6 speed for about about 5 minutes. (Maybe it was really thin old CC?)



I deleted an earlier post here in which I was discussing my experiments with SFX Sonus pads with products and using "not recommended speeds" up to 6 to see the effects and I'm convinced these are DANGEROUS PADS in my hands. I got terrible marring from SFX1 and 2 pads with IP, (FPII maybe) and DACP when used at overspeeds and MAYBE even under the 3000 and 3500 DA "limit". I was uncomfortable with what I was seeing at the limit speeds. Did not test the SFX3 pad which basically implies to me that it can be used at higher speeds with LIGHT polishes. I might test that pad later this month as a possible "medium to heavy" polishing pad only. Light....I have bias now from the SFX1 and 2 pad tests. It might give "ORANGE" pad like results with DACP. That's what I'm going to test next. Probably only me, and maybe one should ONLY use the SONUS polishes with these pads, but I WILL NOT USE THEM AGAIN as they really did produce some spooky bad results for me. Very nervous about using them at all. I think a beginner really COULD do so damage they would regret if they didn't take the speed warnings seriously. I'll wait to read what others say about them before I use them again or form a final opinion. (They really are well made, feel nice and boy I had high expectations for them being maybe "rotary" like in some heat generation. )



-------



I hope this thread will hang around some and maybe just the right person(s) with the knowledge base will step forward to assume a committee chairperson like role to work on this. Honestly, I don't presume to be all knowing about pads. But I do know that collectively out in Autopia such a thing could be done. Let's show the detailing world where the center of the universe is. Autopia.



If I take the lead on getting this done, I'll have to throw up some kind of quick and dirty starting points and will depend on members to react, add, be critical and correct any and all misinformation as it's "compiled". I don't have much computer chart, graphics making skills, etc. I'll won't have much time to work on this until after the 17th. It would be besy to find a real expert respected detailer to head this project up.
 
Technically speaking, measuring a pad in ppi is not correct. Many other factors go into measuring foam for pads, tensile strength, load deflection. You can have pads of the same ppi and be different aggressions.
 
bufferman71 said:
Technically speaking, measuring a pad in ppi is not correct. Many other factors go into measuring foam for pads, tensile strength, load deflection. You can have pads of the same ppi and be different aggressions.



Good point. That suggests to me that maybe "subjective ratings" from exerienced members and professional Autopian's may be the way to "group" pads.
 
I also found a very hard time obtaining the ppi for LC, Meguiars and Sonus pads. Maybe a more "informal" feel chart based on experience would be good.
 
Back
Top