P21S Vs. Megs #16 (scottwax)

chowfun said:
.......This is what I have planned so far:



  1. Wash car with Meg. GC wash
  2. Clay bar
  3. Use PC + orange cutting pad as an applicator for Optimum polish
  4. Buff off with microfiber
  5. Use PC + gray finishing pad as an applicator for PB EX-P sealant
  6. Buff off with microfiber
  7. Use PC to apply Meg. #16
  8. Buff off with microfiber



What kind of pads will you recommend? I'm having some trouble locating lake country pads. Also, can you recommend a place to purchase OP and PB?.....
That looks about right, but you should try the OP with a white pad first, then move up to the orange pad if needed. If you do use the orange pad, you might need to follow-up with OP on the white pad. Also let EX-P cure for about a day before you apply a second coat or top it with #16.



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If in fact #16 is even slightly more challenging to buff, wouldnt removal with a QD eliminate any difficulties? :confused:
 
RogueM3 said:
If in fact #16 is even slightly more challenging to buff, wouldnt removal with a QD eliminate any difficulties? :confused:



If you apply a thin layer, a section at a time, then remove, you won't need any OD to remove it.
 
Eliot Ness said:
That looks about right, but you should try the OP with a white pad first, then move up to the orange pad if needed. If you do use the orange pad, you might need to follow-up with OP on the white pad. Also let EX-P cure for about a day before you apply a second coat or top it with #16.



There are a lot of places to get the products you're looking for, but one of the forum sponsors has all that you need:

LC Pads

OP

EX-P



Check the following thread for a code to get 15% off until Christmas:



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Thanks! :goodjob Are there other sealants that won''t require a 24hr cure time? The car is my daily commuter, afriad that it might get dirty within 24hrs. Also, how is ZPC in comparison to OP? Judging these pictures, which one will you recommend?



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Thanks!
 
No it isn't. Apply a thin layer, one section at a time, then remove. Barely more effort to remove than S100/P21S or Souveran. I have all three and I reach for #16 more than either of the other two combined a couple times over.



I think we have an honest disagreement here Scott. :)
 
I have been able to get a very thin coat of #16 with this applicator, removal is a breeze. It also fits perfectly in the can. Best applicator I have tried. Works well with zaino as well.



I have also tried s100 and PS and found they go on and off easier with a huge margin for error. #16 applied heavy is a pain, if very very thin it's just as easy to remove as s100.



Handi-Grip Applicator
 
RogueM3 said:
If in fact #16 is even slightly more challenging to buff, wouldnt removal with a QD eliminate any difficulties? :confused:



#16... when I apply it once the applicator has some product built up I just dab the applicator to the wax to reload. If you use this method vs twisting/rubbing the pad into the wax to reload you wont have any issues removing. #16 is not a problem at all to remove if you apply it correctly. :waxing:



I have yet to need any QD to remove #16... since Ive yet to need it I really dont think I will ever need it because it seems Im applying it correctly.
 
ScottWax and 35TH LE (and others) have pretty much expressed my sentiments regarding #16, which my family's been using since the '50s. SilverLexus knows what *he's* experienced with these waxes too, so it's just a YMMV thing.



One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the way #16 tends to "turn liquid" as it's applied. Using the PC (or better yet the Cyclo) helps to effect this and makes it easier to get that thin application.



*I* generally do the whole car before buffing off, and FWIW I now do it this way with "W-O-W-O waxes" such as Souveran too. No, it doesn't make for any problems (note that some waxes like Victoria shouldn't be allowed to set up, but with P21S and Souveran it works fine) and the durability is a bit better. I sometimes wonder if the W-O-W-O method being used with one wax and not the other factors in to the perceived ease/difficulty :nixweiss You can W-O-W-O every wax I've ever tried if that's what you like doing, just keep an eye out for the possible durability compromises.



How thin to apply? If you wax several cars on a regular basis (in my case, much more frequently than is really needed) a can should last many years; I got over a decade from my last can. So that $30 worth of wax will go a *long* way ;)



I buff off with MF bonnets on the PC/Cyclo and do a quick follow-up by hand (often with a CBT). With the thin application, I can buff all the #16 off the A8 with one or *maybe* two MF bonnets; when I did the rent-a-Suburban it took three, but I'd put it on thicker than necessary. If your bonnets are really loaded with wax when you're done you used way too much.



RogueM3- I don't think you'll need the QD, but if you do I'd use one that leaves something behind (Pinnacle CM, Griot's Speedshine, FK425 oughta work OK) and not one that does a lot of cleaning; it might compromise the not-yet-cured wax. Doing it with one of the QDs I mentioned (or a similar one) shouldn't be all *that* different from a slow-motion spitshine.



That reminds me, I did a "psuedo-spitshine" with #16 a few times: misted the surface with one of the above QDs, then applied #16 via Cyclo, really *working* it until the wax nearly disappeared (I ended up using more wax than normal this way). It did do *something* as I got more spherical beading, but it seemed to slightly compromise the durability. I didn't do any really rigorous study of this, and gradually quit doing it just to KISS the process, but it might be worth playing around with if such stuff is of interest.
 
ScottWax and 35TH LE (and others) have pretty much expressed my sentiments regarding #16, which my family's been using since the '50s.



Key words highlighted. ;) Just giving you some friendly "grief". :)



Is this wax still available for purchase at this point?



In any event, if people like it then use it. It's the look you like that is important. I just like P21S and Souveran a lot better.
 
I like Souveran the best also. Why? The looks on "my" car, and I don't mind waxing every few weeks. In fact, I enjoy it. I do not wax cars for a living. With that said #16 ia a excellant wax for durability and for folks up north with a lot of snow and salt on the roads. So whats good for one is not always good for all.
 
SilverLexus- Heh heh, yeah, not exactly a cutting-edge technology type of product, huh? I guess it's all relative when it comes to ease-of-use; when #16 came out my mother and her sister loved it because it was so much easier to buff off than Simonize, which they hated with a passion!



MDRX8- No argument about how great Souveran looks! It *is* a different type of look than #16 and I suppose people are gonna have their preferences.



DieselMDX- I'm surprised that I can't put a specific date on those, must be gettin' old. But I'd say mid-'80s. They'd gone to the later can by the early '90s and the even earlier cans were different, but I'm foggy on the exact details (as a young guy who thought he knew better than some old ladies, I'd switched to Pro back then :o ) Heh heh, sure hope you got yours for a lot less than that e-bay seller wants! Oh, and don't worry about it being old stuff, I've never heard of an actual shelf-life for the stuff as long as the lids are on tight and it's not allowed to freeze (and I'd question how much freezing would really matter too).
 
Nice score!!



DieselMDX said:
OK found 5 tins of the 16 and am very happy for that much.





One question the tins I found are the "older" tins they are larger in size (15oz) compared to (11oz) and do not say megs anywhere on the tin. I purchased them from a mom and pop shop and they have been in the back room "for atleast ten years" does anyone know when they were selling these types of tins?





eBay Motors: Meguiars Mirror Glaze Professional Paste Wax #16 (item 320059095550 end time Dec-11-06 16:36:38 PST)
 
MDRX8 said:
I like Souveran the best also. Why? The looks on "my" car, and I don't mind waxing every few weeks. In fact, I enjoy it. I do not wax cars for a living. With that said #16 ia a excellant wax for durability and for folks up north with a lot of snow and salt on the roads. So whats good for one is not always good for all.





I agree, on most colors, just purely going for looks, I'd use Souveran too. However, on my own car and most of my customer's cars, durability matters more than a slight improvement in appearance. I do have a few customers who don't mind me rewaxing their vehicles more often and opt for Souveran.
 
i actually prefer a wax over a sealent now that i have zaino on my car. I think I am going to use a wax for the summer and my sealent for the winter.





My tin of 16 will deff go to good use
 
I'm a big fan of #16 and have never had a problem using it. And the Handi0grip applicator at autopia store (made by Viking) is the perfect aplicator for #16.
 
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