P&S Beadmaker?

[SWETM]

Thanks Troy!

Yeah I`m with you on your explaination. What I left out is it seems to BM is not as hydrophobic or self cleaning. And that gets a more noticeble effect on the base protection and toppers that are really great at it. So if those caractics is important for the user it would be working backwards. And if you are after gloss and the slickness feel of a product last applyied. BM seems to be in the top tier of those products.

If you have a coating on and use Reload as a maintance topper. It will not degrade the water behavior and self cleaning ability when applyied over a coating. As I understand it not a much noticeble effect. But use Reload as a stand alone LSP. It will not be as effective as a coating in those parts. And it`s just as I have picked up. Maybe what I try to explain is that some toppers don`t completly cover the base protection caractics but maintain it instead with just the slightest degrading from it. While some take over their own caractics completly. And some excells those caractics. So depending on what kind of base protection you have it might not be worth to apply some toppers as they degrade the water behavior and self cleaning ability too much for you likeing if that`s important to you. And this is not only Bead Maker I refer to but all kind of toppers. Or maybe an easier explaination would be that BM don`t work in synergy if you have a highly hydrophobic and self cleaning ability from your LSP. Crap it`s hard to explain what I meen LOL. And I totaly understand the high benefit with the slickness feeling and gloss from BM. So not trying to rant on it. It could be any other topping we talk about. Just want to have the discussion open about what it`s good and not so good about it. Cause it seemed to be advertised to work on all LSP. But their is a cost to it in some situations. Like any other product.

 

[TroyScherer]

^ I think I follow what you are saying and we are on the same page.

I agree with you that BeadMaker isn’t as hydrophobic and self cleaning as coatings and other topper products. Sonax BSD is one that comes to mind. So far though I have found that BM makes the wash process easier as the protection is enough to aid in washing with less physical pressure and rinses clean once washed.


I have used Reload over CQ, CQUK, Gliss. From my observations since Reload is supposedly the same base chemistry it reacts similar as far as water behavior and self cleaning. But in person I have been able to see a difference. I agree that Reload seems to help and last longer on a CQ coating vs as a stand-alone product. I assume it is due to that product synergy we referenced.




I could be wrong but I think this is one of the first times the actual chemist has been out explaining what it is and how it works. I think that might be some of the difference. He expressed that to get that good overall coverage you need a full application. To me this really makes sense and has me wondering about other products as it should stand true for those as well. Even after I came to my product synergy theory this has me digging deeper as something so simple now has me wondering if I ever got the best out of some of my QD, toppers in the past. I guess for me sometimes the simple logic seems hit me the hardest.

 

[SWETM]

Yeah take reload as an example. They did starting to recommend a more heavy application or we may say even coverage instead. Think it was in a Carpro Youtube video I saw this. And it`s for when useing Reload as a stand alone LSP that this is important. To let more product to bond properly vs the thin 1-2 sprays per panel. Mike Phillips has a great method to apply those Sio2 and other toppers. He primes the application mf towel with product before so when wiping it in the mf towel don`t soak up the product. Then come after with the buffing towel to wipe the residue off. So I too will test to apply a more heavy application when the product lets me and don`t get a PITA to remove LOL. One tips I can share that I use with BSD and then Herrenfarth Sprühglanz that comes in such of a bottle. Is the Flairosol spray bottle that spread it out of the nozzle in a very fine mist and also gets a build up pressure in it. The BSD was as a new product for me to use when applyied with a Flairosol spray bottle. Not so sticky feeling when removed and feels that I get a longer longevity from it too. The Herrenfarth Sprühglanz I have in 2 different special editions for the Scandinavian market. It`s based on a mono Si(Silicon) that is a breeze to apply and 4-6 months of non degraded hydrophobic surface. And was not from the version with even more Si+ in it. Very intresting product for sure. Would think that something like Bead Maker would work great in a flairosol bottle too.

 

[KBsToy]

Ok did my BSD application on wife`s DD. Kind of sticky application and removal, did a light spray and MF application and removal. Nice gloss but no slickness.
Main reason is the cleaning abilities I have read about.

 

[SWETM]

Ok did my BSD application on wife`s DD. Kind of sticky application and removal, did a light spray and MF application and removal. Nice gloss but no slickness.
Main reason is the cleaning abilities I have read about.

Test to put some BSD in a spray bottle that you can adjust the sprayer head with. As a generic Meguiars spray bottle for an example. Set it to fine mist it out and move the bottle while spraying it on to the paint. Have a mf towel that you prime with a couple of sprays to work in the BSD with. Then a plush mf towel to wipe it off with. The slickness is not so good from BSD but there are a reason to that. And it`s the awesome water behavior and self cleaning ability from it. With this application I have noticed the less sticky application from it. Some like to do a 50/50 blend with another water based QD or topper. Chemical Guys V07 sealant is one of the popular to mix this way. Getting a little slicker surface and another kind of gloss. I have not tried this my self with mixing BSD. For me I want the caractics of BSD even if it`s a more work with it. But tuning in the application of it makes it easier to work with IME. Wait until you see the water behavior it has if you don`t have used it before. It`s as good as some coatings and even better than some of them too. Both PNS and BSD uses the same chemical that protects and is recommended to use on Sonax cc36 coating. To extend the longevity of it even. Will be intresting to see how like it. On white paints I think it`s one of the best looking LSP you can have. Then for BSD being a QD product the longevity of it is extreme.

 

[PA DETAILER]

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[rlmccarty2000]

Test to put some BSD in a spray bottle that you can adjust the sprayer head with. As a generic Meguiars spray bottle for an example. Set it to fine mist it out and move the bottle while spraying it on to the paint. Have a mf towel that you prime with a couple of sprays to work in the BSD with. Then a plush mf towel to wipe it off with. The slickness is not so good from BSD but there are a reason to that. And it`s the awesome water behavior and self cleaning ability from it. With this application I have noticed the less sticky application from it. Some like to do a 50/50 blend with another water based QD or topper. Chemical Guys V07 sealant is one of the popular to mix this way. Getting a little slicker surface and another kind of gloss. I have not tried this my self with mixing BSD. For me I want the caractics of BSD even if it`s a more work with it. But tuning in the application of it makes it easier to work with IME. Wait until you see the water behavior it has if you don`t have used it before. It`s as good as some coatings and even better than some of them too. Both PNS and BSD uses the same chemical that protects and is recommended to use on Sonax cc36 coating. To extend the longevity of it even. Will be intresting to see how like it. On white paints I think it`s one of the best looking LSP you can have. Then for BSD being a QD product the longevity of it is extreme.

The folks over on Detailing World have been mixing BSD with V07 (and others) for years. Their love of BSD is unmatched by any other product. I think mixing BSD with BM would be a very nice combo. Although I’m still waiting to see a side by side comparison of BM and V07. I always liked the look of V07 but the longetivity left me looking for something better. I’ve been mixing BSD and V07 just to use up the V07. I even tried a 40-40-20 mix with an SiO2 spray being the 20 but I could see no real difference. I may add 10% Hydro2 for longetivity. Just spitballing, it’s winter, even though the weather here is almost 70 with 90% humidity. I ran the A/C last night.

 

[TroyScherer]

The folks over on Detailing World have been mixing BSD with V07 (and others) for years. Their love of BSD is unmatched by any other product. I think mixing BSD with BM would be a very nice combo. Although I’m still waiting to see a side by side comparison of BM and V07. I always liked the look of V07 but the longetivity left me looking for something better. I’ve been mixing BSD and V07 just to use up the V07. I even tried a 40-40-20 mix with an SiO2 spray being the 20 but I could see no real difference. I may add 10% Hydro2 for longetivity. Just spitballing, it’s winter, even though the weather here is almost 70 with 90% humidity. I ran the A/C last night.

I tried mixing BSD with FK425 at 50/50. But what I got was a slimy mess. It didn’t give me any of the slickness or ease of use of FK425 and just made BSD harder to wipe in and away.

I have considered trying a mix of BSD and BeadMaker. But after my last try I am not sure. Maybe if I did more of a 75/25 with BeadMaker being the major part.

 

[Loach]

I need feedback from coating users. Suggest to me a better topper than Bead Maker as a coating maintenance product for me to test out head to head. Factor in price, slickness, hydrophobic maintenance, wipeability, gloss, and let’s throw smell in for giggles.

Bead Maker has been phenomenal on my coatings.

 

[Rocker1911]

I need feedback from coating users. Suggest to me a better topper than Bead Maker as a coating maintenance product for me to test out head to head. Factor in price, slickness, hydrophobic maintenance, wipeability, gloss, and let’s throw smell in for giggles.

Bead Maker has been phenomenal on my coatings.

I have never used bead maker. I order is on its way.

But I can say that back when I had a coated car, I used car pro reload over car pro CQuartz UK 3.0, that worked well.

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[The Guz]

I need feedback from coating users. Suggest to me a better topper than Bead Maker as a coating maintenance product for me to test out head to head. Factor in price, slickness, hydrophobic maintenance, wipeability, gloss, and let’s throw smell in for giggles.

Bead Maker has been phenomenal on my coatings.

Maybe it is just me but I don’t know why I have no interest in bead maker. It’s one I don’t see myself purchasing. Just like the new Meguiar’s ceramic wax.

 

[rlmccarty2000]

I need feedback from coating users. Suggest to me a better topper than Bead Maker as a coating maintenance product for me to test out head to head. Factor in price, slickness, hydrophobic maintenance, wipeability, gloss, and let’s throw smell in for giggles.

Bead Maker has been phenomenal on my coatings.

Hard to beat the price. It was not in my testing of SiO2 toppers since it does not contain SiO2. I still would like to see it side by side with V07. V07 is slick,glossy, and smells like a creamsicle, but only lasts around 2 weeks. Not sure how long BM lasts as all we get are day old beading videos. BM may be a different smelling V07 for all we know.

 

[rlmccarty2000]

Maybe it is just me but I don’t know why I have no interest in bead maker. It’s one I don’t see myself purchasing. Just like the new Meguiar’s ceramic wax.

I feel similar, but I may just get a bottle of BM to see if the hype is real. Going to be out on the Megs stuff though. Looks like too much work for little difference, disappointing. I was hoping for a good consumer version of a SiO2 product. Still hoping the new Mothers product is a winner, got my preorder in.

 

[Coatings=crack]

Maybe it is just me but I don’t know why I have no interest in bead maker. It’s one I don’t see myself purchasing. Just like the new Meguiar’s ceramic wax.

Funny I have no interest in buying it either.... what’s funny though was if this said sio2 on the bottle I’d have a bottle of it a month ago with all the hype and positive reviews. That first YT video I watch of ceramic coatings musta had subliminal messages in it....


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[Coatings=crack]

I need feedback from coating users. Suggest to me a better topper than Bead Maker as a coating maintenance product for me to test out head to head. Factor in price, slickness, hydrophobic maintenance, wipeability, gloss, and let’s throw smell in for giggles.

Bead Maker has been phenomenal on my coatings.

Any off the PBM offerings might be a good comparison....


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[SWETM]

Loach. How about a side by side with BM and Tac System Quartz Max? The cost would be hard to get down to BM price with a Sio2 topper. That`s simply cause Sio2 is high cost for manufactures to buy and so for the consumer too. Would be awesome if you could test my favorite Herrenfarth Sprühglanz. Which is to get a great gloss. The price is high though 300ml somewhere between $25-$30. It`s not Sio2 but works as it and they call it Si+ monosilicon. Very easy to apply and wipe off. No smell from what I remember. Could be that you use so little from it. 300ml or 10oz would get me around 6-8 mid sized cars.
Another one that I like is Angelwax Enigma QED. They claim ceramic infused so some kind of Sio2 chemistry I think. In the UK the prices are very low price on Angelwax products. But Angelwax don`t let the resellers export it. I have seen only one reseller that seems to be doing it. Around $35-$40 for 500ml/16oz for Enigma QED. But honestly I don`t think there would be a Sio2 topper that could compete with the BM in slickness. Since Sio2 in it self is grabby sticky feeling when started to cure. Just take a squeeqe clean glass for an example cause that is basicly Sio2 in some way. Reload has some other kind of oils and polymers that makes it slick. So would be to find one that are more made for the slickness in mind. But tested to wipe in Hydro2 lite on wet paint and that was slick to me. Maybe something like that but it would be out of the recommended application so not so fair. V07 if it`s great to be used on coatings could also be an option. Maybe others can shaim in on the pbmg Sio2 topper offerings.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

Re: P&S Beadmaker?

Maybe it is just me but I don’t know why I have no interest in bead maker. It’s one I don’t see myself purchasing. Just like the new Meguiar’s ceramic wax.

Ditto. Just dont see where it would fit any of my needs. It`s a polymer product, correct? What differentiates it from something like Kenotek Showroom Shine or things of that nature?

It`s cheap enough that I guess I could try it on some coated fleet stuff at work. Is it just a "make it look shinier for a bit" deal or will it add some kinda protection?

Would it stand up to the "Oh look, a bird targeted my black Subaru hood...ah, it`s late, I`ll clean it up tomorrow after work" test?

Given all the talk about it lately I`m getting a bit curious to see if it is a "real deal" or just the current "next greatest thing"?

Edit: Eh, for $13 I`ll give it a go on the hood of the Gyeon Syncro vehicle; maybe it`ll help that otherwise disappointing affair. I think that thing is gonna get cleaned up an CanCoated over the Syncro soon anyway.

Could do side by side with Reload if that would be telling in any way...wanna try Reload on something. If not Reload could try it next to Feynlab, Kamikaze, 22ple or Polish Angel sprays although thinking that wouldn`t be a very fair fight.

 

[estcstm3]

Angelwax QED and Angelwax Enigma QED I like a lot still. A little to a wax look which I like. And durable for being such products. Think that Angelwax Enigma AIO can be popular if it`s longevity you look from a AIO. And just what I have heard from others it seems to be have a great cut too. The downside would be to dial it in so you have an easy wipe off. Cause the heat and Sio2 can be tricky to work with. 2 hidden gems from AW is ti-22 sealant based on titanium and Corona that do magic on plastic trim parts. Corona is also a sealant so you get a versitale product with it. Then it`s all about what you are into and looking for.

Even if the Bead Maker works on top of any LSP. There is not so much of talk about if it change the base protection caractics. Have read about some testing with BM where it changes the water behavior and self cleaning ability from PNS and coatings. And for many that is important. While it excells on slickness feeling and gloss. And many likes those caractics as well. So it`s comes down to what you like. And what kind of base protection you use.

What I wonder about BM is if you need to apply it heavy on a LSP to get the most out of it. Or if the heavy application is only needed on bare paint. And how it works when you like to use different toppers and drying aid. If you need to start over with the BM heavy application when change it as a topper or drying aid. Maybe not a deal breaker since it`s low price. And many talks about how long it will last. But as I understand it it`s not made with durability in mind. The longevity is claimed up to 1-2 months. So if used on it`s own and after the first heavy application. It`s needed to be topped up with 1-2 sprays per panel regualary after that.

I have a gallon of PS Beadmaker and i can attest that it changes the water beading behavior of your basecoat. I have one car that is coated with wolfgangs sealant and the beadmaker diminished the water beading slightly but the slickness (via touch or finger) was improved...go figure. I have a truck that is CanCoated (going on 6 months fyi....) and the beadmaker messed with the self cleaning alot. So much that I wont use it on the truck anymore, just my sealant LSP`d car.

 

[Rocker1911]

Last night I went to a pay and spray to rinse the salt off. The "pre soak" was pretty aggressive.

It actually did a decent job cleaning, but definitely deteriorated the optimum spray wax.

This morning I washed with meguires power wash plus, then rinsed and dried. Then did a heavy application of bead maker. The slickness and gloss are pretty good so far. I can`t wait to test the hydrophobicity of it next wash. Also I will use bead maker as a drying aid. I can`t wait to continue testing it.

I bought a 16oz bottle to spray from and gallon, in addition to a 5 pack of rag co eagle edgless 600s. It took almost the whole 16oz bottle to do my Audi s4 and the face of the wheels.

I made a mistake and forget to dampen the cloth on the application towel. Had I done that I would have used a few onces less of product

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[BudgetPlan1]

I have a gallon of PS Beadmaker and i can attest that it changes the water beading behavior of your basecoat. I have one car that is coated with wolfgangs sealant and the beadmaker diminished the water beading slightly but the slickness (via touch or finger) was improved...go figure. I have a truck that is CanCoated (going on 6 months fyi....) and the beadmaker messed with the self cleaning alot. So much that I wont use it on the truck anymore, just my sealant LSP`d car.

Well, this certainly wouldn`t be considered a positive in any way unless I`m missing something.

So aside from slickness, does Beadmaker improve the look and, if so, for how long?