Orange peel removal on black? PPG base/clear

Invigor said:
I'd wetsand it flat, and by that time you would probably have to have it re-cleared. That's some pretty serious orange peel and a lot of clear would have to be removed to make it flat.
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Yea. that is what I was afraid of.. But, if I can get it looking a lot better than that.. then that might be good enough.. it's just horrible as you can see.
 
tksmr2 said:
I'm not sure...



I know the pics are not the greatest..





How would one even be able to tell if this can be fixed or not? I mean.. is orange peel in the base coat? If so.. then I guess it would not be fixable w/o repainting the areas.





I'm probably not going to try it myself.. I'm too afraid to really screw it up. My brother says he has done it before. However, he has very little experience, I think. He wants me to go to a body shop to get a quote.. then if it's really high.. he said he will do it. He is experienced with a rotary too..



So, I"m gonig to try to take my car to the body shop up the street that has painted portions of my brothers car to see what they say. Well, that is if I can get the car washed and it's not raining/snowing on Saturday morning.
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That's the big question, is it in the clear or in the base coat. Simple way to tell would be to do a small portion of it and see how it comes out. I would suggest somewhere down low to start with. The other big question is how much clear is there and like someone suggested a paint thickness gauge will help.
 
i would have used 1500 grit on the first go around then i would have come back with 2000 grit with the (da)machine,then a mild coumpound then a good glaxe filler ,,,,,then a couple of layers of carnuba wax.
 
To me that seems like a long time to wet sand and compound and polish out the paint. I was wondering if he used a rotorary or a pc. I can only think what the whole car looked like before he did it.
 
jtford95 said:
To me that seems like a long time to wet sand and compound and polish out the paint. I was wondering if he used a rotorary or a pc. I can only think what the whole car looked like before he did it.
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Well.. I don't see any sanding scratches anywhere. However, I do know that he had a porter cable.. but dont' know if he used a rotary for this job. If he used a porter cable then he wouldn't have gotten the scratches out from 1500 grit paper.



However, it just looks like he got lazy on the sides of the car and the shop messed up those c-pillar areas b/c that is a lot of peel there. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about that.



Also, I'm having another wing put on the car from a 94/95 MR2 and the original 93 wing has some peel and a run of clear coat on it.. makes for a good practice piece b/c I'm replacing the trunk lid too.
 
94BlkStang said:
That's the big question, is it in the clear or in the base coat. Simple way to tell would be to do a small portion of it and see how it comes out. I would suggest somewhere down low to start with. The other big question is how much clear is there and like someone suggested a paint thickness gauge will help.
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Yea.. I'm almost certain it's in the clear coat.. heck.. sure looks like it. I'm thinking it's just a car that was not finished. But, anyway.. seems like the painter didn't know what the heck they were doing or most likely just did a quick job b/c they got some hints that the previous owner was satisfied with half done work.. But, if the peel comes out this can be a really nice paint job. just needs finishing work that should have been done.



However, how in the heck does someone applie clear so poorly in those C-pillar areas.. I guess it must just be a hard place to paint.





I know the previous owner who wetsanded, never did it before.. but the spots he did.. turned out great.. However, I didn't see it before hand other than a few pics on the net that have since been removed.. However, I think I have them on my other computer. I"ll post them here when I find them.
 
Yea TK, get some practice on that trunk bro. Don't be afraid to go to far on the trunk. That is the only way you will learn how far you can go.
 
jtford95 said:
Yea TK, get some practice on that trunk bro. Don't be afraid to go to far on the trunk. That is the only way you will learn how far you can go.
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Ah.. I found out something else.. my car is dusty.. so it's hard to tell everything right now.. But, I can definetly see the other C-pillar area has much less orange peel.. and also you can see a grey haze from not buffing the area enough to bring the shine back in that area. So, I'm sure the pass. side c-pillar pictured in this thread can turn into the shape the drivers side is in.. I'll just have to practice on the wing area as thats getting replaced anyway.





THanks!
 
I finally went to a bodyshop to get a quote. He said he can work on it a little at a time, to see how it turns out.



He mentioned the team clearcoat shrinking, but said that was normal? I didn't ask him why I have so much orange peel. But, the amount of orange peel running down the sides of a black car completely destroys the whole point of having a black car, let alone waxing it only makes it look a lot worse.



Anyway, he seemed pretty confident he could get it out. But he also said he may need to take it down pretty far depending on how many coats were put on. And, we both agreed that we couldn't really say for sure how many coats b/c I can only go by a receipt from the shop that painted the car, and the previous owners word, which believe me isn't very trustworthy.
 
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