Optimum Poliseal vs. Meguiars 66

jgatuslao said:
This is taken from Autogeek's description of Poli-seal. From what I read, it gives me the impression that PS doesn't hide (fill) minor imperfections but actually removes them.



The micro abrasives in the Optimum Poli-SealTM will ensure light paint correction and not just the hiding of imperfections. Poli-Seal can be used as a light swirl mark remover, a final polish, and a true wax and sealant……All in one step!



This revolutionary product will eliminate (not hide) minor paint imperfections and blemishes while creating a perfect shine on all types of paint.



Now this is taken from AG's description of Megs 66. Note the word "removes".



Meguiars #66 Quick Detailer removes water spots, stains, light oxidation, and micro-marring from clear coat and single stage paint finishes. With a combination of chemical cleaners and the mechanical motion of a buffer, #66 restores gloss and removes blemishes effectively and efficiently. That’s why professional detailers use it on vehicle after vehicle.



This could also mean that both products actually removes micromarring but fills in blemishes that the microabrasives couldn't remove. The ads just give the consumer the impression that both don't contain fillers. Maybe they don't.
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Read the post above yours. That's the case.
 
Just to clarify, are you guys saying that the sealant fills in some defects as it coats or are you saying it contains fillers that are intended to hide defects in the short term-only to be washed away within a couple washes? To the best of my knowledge, it's the former since I've seen it still beading at 3 months, but maybe I just got lucky. I'm just looking to clarify definition of terms, not trying to contradict anyone.
 
integritydetail said:
Just to clarify, are you guys saying that the sealant fills in some defects as it coats or are you saying it contains fillers that are intended to hide defects in the short term-only to be washed away within a couple washes? To the best of my knowledge, it's the former since I've seen it still beading at 3 months, but maybe I just got lucky. I'm just looking to clarify definition of terms, not trying to contradict anyone.
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I don't have enough experience with OS to really comment on this one way or another. I only have what David told me as well as about 5 cars. I don't know how long the "filling" will last, but then again, it also has enough abrasive cut to remove light marring as well.
 
TH0001 said:
I don't have enough experience with OS to really comment on this one way or another. I only have what David told me as well as about 5 cars. I don't know how long the "filling" will last, but then again, it also has enough abrasive cut to remove light marring as well.
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OS or PS? I was talking about PS.
 
wannafbody said:
What does the filling?
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If I remember the back of the bottle says, silicon fluid and carnauba.



Another question, is there actually sealant in poliSEAL or just carnauba?
 
Im probably one of the few users who own and regularly use both Optimum Poliseal and Meguiars #66



Both products are used in different applications.



#66 has more cut, PS has more durability.



I'll give a few examples of where each product is best.



If a car has medium swirls and the customer can pay for only one step then #66 will provide better results as swirls would remain with Poliseal.



If the customer is paying more and i can justify two steps then i will remove the swirls with a seperate swirl removal. I then apply Poliseal to remove any light marring and use Poliseal for its longer durability so i dont have to apply a sealant which would make a third step.



If the customer is only paying enough for two steps but the paint has heavy defects then usually i have to use a strong compound. Poliseal doesn't have enough cut to remove the marring from such a heavy compound so i use #66. I then get less durability but atleast the defects are removed which is more important.



If the customer is paying enough for 3 or 4 steps then i'll never use #66 as i can use a seperate strong and light compound for paint correction. I then use Poliseal as a finishing polish to remove any fine marring and Poliseals durability as a sealant provides good protection.



As i rarely get a customer who pays enough to warrant more than one or two steps or a car that requires only minor paint correction i use #66 far more often than Poliseal. As most people here seem to do more $100-200 details then #66 would definitely be an awesome product that will same time and improve results. If you often perform $300+ details then Poliseal should also definitely be in your arsenal.



Now hopefully we can all stop arguing as both products are excellent
 
I couldn't agree more. That's what I said in post #2: they are not comparable/compatable. I use Ardex Smartcut right now, but I used #66 before the Ardex and had good results. You hit the nail on the head suggesting that you should know when a specific product is needed and appropriate.:xyxthumbs
 
integritydetail said:
I couldn't agree more. That's what I said in post #2: they are not comparable/compatable. I use Ardex Smartcut right now, but I used #66 before the Ardex and had good results. You hit the nail on the head suggesting that you should know when a specific product is needed and appropriate.:xyxthumbs
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Thanks for all your replies. Although both of these products are in the same category (AIO's), they may not be similar in terms of cut and durability as one is better in one area than the other. I have used M66 but I just haven't tried OPS yet.
 
NSXTASY said:
If I remember the back of the bottle says, silicon fluid and carnauba.



Another question, is there actually sealant in poliSEAL or just carnauba?
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I'm not sure but it applies like Crisco.
 
Also a word of warning with both products.



Both products have to be worked well with a buffer for the abbrasives to remove swirls and light defects. If you just apply them onto the surface quickly you will get no paint correction but the fillers of #66 and light fillers of Poliseal will hide the defects and they will reappear later.



This can be good and bad. This is more of a concern with #66. You can apply #66 quickly more as a glaze like filler wax to mask swirls or work it thoroughly to actually remove them. It is often difficult to see if the swirls have been removed as you do not know if #66 has filled or removed them. An alcohol wipe down cant really be used as it will remove the wet look protection that was added.



Products with fillers should definitely have a part in every detailers arsenal. When used correctly they can provide excellent results without be classified as "dodgy". It allows low paying customers to get some sort of decent finish where they would otherwise go without.
 
jgatuslao said:
Thanks for all your replies. Although both of these products are in the same category (AIO's), they may not be similar in terms of cut and durability as one is better in one area than the other. I have used M66 but I just haven't tried OPS yet.
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I can't imagine trying to make a decision to buy just one product to rely on all the time. As a professional, I can buy several similar products and use them at will, but if I didn't make money from it I'd be wasting money to buy all kinds of products just for my family's cars. That's why I think it's sooo important to give the OP exactly what they ask for cause alot of people on here are just enthusiasts who can't justify 10 different polishes.
 
wannafbody said:
I'm not sure but it applies like Crisco.
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I've never applied Crisco to paint, but PS goes on very smooth and disappears into the paint in like 2 passes with very little haze and I've never had that effect with the Meg's either. You must have gotten a bad batch or maybe it was contaminated.
 
wannafbody said:
Maybe that is a poor description on my part. I do agree that it just disappears into the paint.
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Yeah, that kinda threw me. When I think Crisco, I thought you meant it was greasy and smears around and hard to get off. That would suck :down
 
TH0001 said:
The problem is when hacks use products like AutoMagic on wool pads and tell thier client that it is done right. The dishonestly (or the fact that most don't know better) is what makes it wrong.
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Ouch! I guess because I use wool pads & Auto Magic it automatically makes me a dishonest hack. :thx
 
TH0001 said:
David from OPT told me that PS fills. Prep-Sol wipe downs confirm this (not that it is a bad thing)
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Fills for sure. Good if that's what you want but if you don't....... I didn't.:soscared:
 
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