Optimum, it ain't half bad!

Scott P

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After seeing so many positive reviews on Optimum, I thought I’d give it a try. I have a 32 oz bottle of the polish and the 17 oz bottle of the wax. Normally, I would use the Lake Country Cured Edge Variable Contact pads, but I had some sample Saul at Edge pads sent me. So, I figured I would do a double test/review.

Test Subject – The test subject was my black 98 Grand Prix. It’s last wax job was a VAM.CMW treatment in November or December. It was been a tough winter and the paint shows it. Plus, the finish is really starting to show its age. I no longer strive for ultimate perfection, but rather a more realistic level of finish.

Packaging/scent/price/etc – The wax comes in a nice semi-translucent blue spray bottle with a color label. The polish was in a quart almost “squatty” jug. Neither scent is memorable, either good or bad. I built a lot of models growing up, so maybe the model glue made me immune to bad scents. Unless it has a fun scent like a lot of PB’s stuff, I don’t really notice it. Pricing seems pretty fair. $16 for the wax is about average. I don’t know how many applications you get per bottle. I honestly didn’t measure it. At $16 for a quart, I think the polish is a good value..

The process – I installed the quick change adapter on my PC and went with an Edge Green Light Cutting pad. I spoke to David at Optimum (why is David such a common name in the wax industry anyways?) when I ordered the stuff. I followed his instructions and went to work.

Optimum polish went directly on the pad and I spread it around at speed 4, then cranked it up to 6. The polish is like Poorboy’s Pro Polish or even Four Star Ultimate Swirl Remover. It is a single grade product that lets the pad texture do the work. In other words, it is the pad that determines the cutting level, not the product.

Optimum Polish does not dry as you work it like other polishes. This gives it a nice working time. Removal is a minor pain though since it tends to smear a bit instead of wiping right off like the SSR series. The suggestion is to spray Optimum Wax ont eh finish and buff off the residue that way. That technique does work very well. However, I’d rather buff off by hand and check my results before I spray the wax down. I’d hate to waste the product if I had more polishing to do. The polish does wipe off well enough to check you progress, so it isn’t a major issue.

The Edge green pad did leave a nice finish with minimal hazing. For giggles, I followed up with more polish and the Edge Blue Polishing pad. That really made the surface nice and smooth. The finish was very clear too. I was very pleased.

I wiped off the remaining residue per David’s suggestion by misting on the wax, then buffing off. I used two towels in this process. One towels spreads the product while the other one is used to buff it off. This is my standard procedure for QD sprays too.

When I was done, I was very impressed with the way the finish turned out. The polish is a great product. It worked very well to remove swirls I had in the finish. There were a few minor scratches that were left, but I didn’t feel like using the rotary since I was against the clock. I think it would be a nice rotary product because of the long work time.

The wax itself looks very nice on my car. I woke up this morning to an inch or so of snow, so she was clean until I got onto the road. I don’t know if I’ll be able to do durability testing as I’m sure I’ll be putting something else on my finish before too long. ;)

Conclusion – Overall, I really like the Optimum wax and Polish. I think they'll be great for quick details as you only need to work yourself around the car once since you can apply the wax and remove the polish at the same time. Like I said, I haven’t tested durability myself, but from what I’ve read here and other source, it seems to hold up well. Is it the greatest polish ever? No, but it is now one of my favorites.

Disclaimer – In the spirit of full disclosure, I am posting this disclaimer. I am seriously considering adding Optimum to my product offerings. However, you should not look upon this review as a biased sales pitch. I really do think this is a quality polish and wax. I haven’t tried the rest of the line-up (even though, David did send me a clay bar). I’ll most likely try them when my current supply of Bold N Bright, Natural Look and Vinylex empty out.

Also, no pics. The car is now dirty. It was in my garage, which is also dirty. I am too ashamed to show that off. It’s winter in Rochester, so we don’t know what this “sun” thing that people are talking about even is. So, no pictures in "sunlight", whatever that is. Sorry about that.
 
Scott,

I agree, Optimum is a great polish. My neighbor recently had the hood of his black TL painted and it had 3-4 moderate/heavy scratches in it. We used Optimum with an Orange pad, speed 5.5, and removed the scratches quick, leaving a haze/micro marring free finish. To me, that's pretty impressive. We applied a second coat with a finish pad, and it added another level of gloss to the paint. I also like the fact that you get zero dusting with Optimum -It makes clean up a lot quicker.

Before using Optimum, he was a Menzerna only man. Optimum has him thinking. $15.99 for a quart of versatile high quality polish is a great value in my book. IMO Optimum is a very good polish to use if you're not familiar with the cutting ability of your pads. This might be the 'get acquainted polish to use for new users, not to mention it's a fine choice for the experienced user.

If your washing your car weekly, mist OCW on your car during the drying process. After a few uses, you'll really notice the improved look of your finish. If it's damp out or below 40 degrees it hazes a little and if it dries, you have to mist it again or it's hard to remove. I build 4 coats of OCW on my car, then replace OCW with poorboys spray and gloss during the dry process.



 
Thanks for the review. I think OCW is a great product for a Express Wash n Wax. I also want to try the polish soon, but I have a great deal of quality polish to use up before I buy that. That is a promise to myself via my wife.
 
TDMAN said:
Thanks for the review. I think OCW is a great product for a Express Wash n Wax.


Yeah, I think it's good for just that. I had a chance to try this product ,oh I think over a year or so now under the Sun X label. I just found it to be a typical spray wax type product, decent gloss, nothing really outstanding or more than that.
 
Bill D said:
Yeah, I think it's good for just that. I had a chance to try this product ,oh I think over a year or so now under the Sun X label. I just found it to be a typical spray wax type product, decent gloss, nothing really outstanding or more than that.
Wow....... is that the same stuff? I tried the Sun X Spray Wax a while back? White bottle I think? :dunno
 
Boss_429 said:
Wow....... is that the same stuff? I tried the Sun X Spray Wax a while back? White bottle I think? :dunno

Yes and he makes it obvious on the website. If you buy a gallon of the wax it's labeled SunX.

I really don't know if I need a spray wax, since there are quite a few competant ones on Pepboy's Shelf, but I want to try the polish. However, with 3/4ths quart of DACP left, a bottle of IP, and some Pinnacle advanced swirl mark remover, I don't think I need anymore polish right now.
 
Well, the bottle I had was not a gallon bottle........... just a regular size bottle. I remember it well, as my wife asked what I had the "suntan lotion" for? :lmfao

I'm really surprised that this is the same stuff, as I tried the Sun X and although it was pretty nice, I didn't think it was anything "special"? :dunno

To be honest, after all the "fanfare" I've been hearing I was expecting a bit more. Don't get me wrong, the stuff wasn't bad, just nothing "ground breaking".

Sorry, just how I see it. :(
 
I tried Optimum after reading several posts from Anthony O (IMO - One of the top detailers on the planet).

I like the fact that I can dry/seal my car with minimal time/effort. After 3-4 applications, I noticed a marked improvement in the overall look of my paint.

In my experience the product retains it's slickness well (you really notice a slick finish when you wash) and works well with Optimum Polish, VM, #80, UPC, AIO, FPII, SSR1. I prefer it over a carnauba topper in the winter too. The only downside is that you need a heated garage to apply it because it doesn't like cold or damp conditions.

IMO, Using OCW/SunX for an Express Wash & Wax, or a light QD is a product feature.

I applied 3-4 coats of it to my neighbors car in December, and although the slickness is gone, the beading is still present when you wash it. The black finish isn't washed out looking either, which is impressive for a 1997 Grand Prix that sits outside 24 x 7.

The downside..... I think 17oz @ $14 is priced a bit high, but you can pick up a gallon of the stuff for around $30.
 
Its all about Marketing. You sell SunX to Professional Car wash shops, give out free samples, people try it, see it is nothing special...the product is not selling well...then you try something different.

Update the product website, Re-market it by giving out samples to Detailers on message boards that never say anything bad about a product they test... they start endorsing it and everyone jumps in and thinks they have found the new holy grail of products.

I don't think the stuff is bad, but the 4-5 month durability claims are ridiculous. I find it lasts less than 3 weeks. And it does not work as a QD as some people have claimed. The vehicle must be as clean as it would be before applying any liquid/paste wax/sealant.
 
Timedout - IMO all products have pro's & con's. I enjoy hearing what folks like and don't like. I've yet to run across the 'holy grail' product, but I do think there are many quality choices on the market. I like to hear how people use products, different combinations, how products react in various climates, etc....

It would be good to hear about your experience -the process, climate, how you measured durability, etc... vs. comments about not liking a particular person, company, marketing strategy, etc.... I'm not really disappointed in the fact that you don't like OCW. I'm more curious why you jump in on most every OCW post on the forum and bash the product without saying a much about how you used it? What gives?
 
mgm2003 said:
I tried Optimum after reading several posts from Anthony O (IMO - One of the top detailers on the planet).
mgm2003,

Don't get me wrong........... I'm not saying that the product is bad in any way and I'm certainly not discounting Anthony's opinion....... as I agree with that statement. I was just "surprised" that it's the same product....... if that is indeed the case? :dunno

Keep in mind, that I'm not a real fan of "Spray Waxes" in general. Also, I'm a real fanatic about my prep work prior to any testing. Sometimes after that kind of prep it's difficult to see much impact from any products. I only tried the SunX product once if I remember correctly and just didn't see anything "special" about it. I do remember that the application and removal was straight forward and went fine. I also remember that I didn't leave it on there (topped it with something) long enough to get a feel for the durability/protection.

Having said all that, I would certainly recommend that people try it for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
 
mgm2003 said:
It would be good to hear about your experience -the process, climate, how you measured durability, etc... vs. comments about not liking a particular person, company, marketing strategy, etc.... I'm not really disappointed in the fact that you don't like OCW. I'm more curious why you jump in on most every OCW post on the forum and bash the product without saying a much about how you used it? What gives?

I jump in on Optimum threads because I was one who stupidly believed the Optimum hype without using my better skeptical judgement that says, "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is".

Applied it in roughly 50-55 degree temps. Spray it on a microfiber applicator, spead it on one panel at a time [in the case of the hood and roof I broke it into several sections], and then buff off the area with a microfiber towel. It is very easy to apply and remove.

The first rain storm it beaded like a champ. I wash it on a weekly basis. After the first wash it still beaded but not as pronounced. It rained several days over the next couple of weeks. After about the third wash using Megs GC the beading was just about gone.

OCW is good for a quick express wax. Tried it as a QD on a slightly dusty surface and it formed clumps of wax all over the surface which were difficult to buff out.

"It ain't half bad" isn't exactly a glowing recommendation anyway.
 
Thanks for sharing and my apologies if I came across rude.

I'm curious to know something else too. How was your surface prepped? Did you apply OCW on top of a polish, sealer, carnuba, other? <--- Here's where I've found 'results may vary' In my experience OCW works best with AIO or FPII, as a base. When you apply it on top of a carnuba or a sealer with carnuba you can experience the product hazing up/hard to wipe off, and it doesn't seem to last as long (beeding drops off quicker). I'm currently trying it with Optimum polish as a base, but haven't had it on long enough.

Also, to correct my other post "I prefer it over a carnauba topper in the winter too."

Should have read..... I prefer OCW instead of carnuba in the winter for a few reasons:

1) You can layer it.
2) It's quick (15 min. for the average car)
3) For me... when carnuba starts to diminish, I like to polish before adding another coat.
 
Mine was applied over FP (not II) at the time. Beading was fairly short lived but that's not a guarantee the product has disappeared from the surface.There was nothing particularly excellent about the gloss that I'd want to go run and special order it. It seemed to be another "express wax" product.

For those with interest in and need for this type of product,I'd like to see how they think it stacks up to the other good amount of similar products both available locally and online.
 
At the time I applied Optimum in early January I don't think there was anything on the surface. I last applied a coat of BeautyShine Pink wax back in early November, washed several times with GC and a few times at the DIY place[without using the brush]. I also recall QDing with Final Detail a few times. I am not anal to the point of keeping a detail diary...at least not yet. There were a few snow storms during the time also.

I ordered OCW right after Christmas having heard such great things about it. We got a couple of nice weather days so I decided to try it.

I don't know much about FP II but if you apply Optimum over AIO you are essentially applying a sacrificial layer over a sacrificial layer so you won't be able to tell whether The Optimum is beading or if it is the AIO that is beading.

Optimum is a decent Express spray wax, nothing more, nothing less. It says it does contain carnauba so I question whether it is layerable. It does seem to be free of solvents. At $30/gallon that is not too expensive. Just don't expect it to last longer than a month and don't expect it to be used as a QD on the slightest dusty surface and you may be very happy with it because it is fast and easy to apply and remove.
 
SunX is sold to pros while the Optimum is geared more to enthusiasts. This is done with Meguairs also, you have their public line and the pro line, 3M does it also, nothing new. The main advantage over most typical "spray waxes" is the UV absorbers in the SunX, hence the name. The polish was designed to meet the needs of detailers who do not wish to carry bottles of products, it buffs cooler, little to no dusting and is high on the lubrication end, also very little is needed. If you like it great, if not there are plenty of other products out there that perform well.

I believe the NXT spray wax is a close clone of Optimum spray wax.
 
"SunX is sold to pros while the Optimum is geared more to enthusiasts."

They are the exact same product. I received an email from owner David Ghadoussi[may be mis-spelled] stating that.
 
Yep...same product. The name "SunX" is what the product does, it "X's" out the harmful UV rays of the sun. Pro's seem to relate better to the name. I believe this is how Optimum will be sold in gallon sizes, no more white "Optimum" gallon jugs. The Optimum will now be sold in the spray bottle sizes.......if I am not mistaken.
 
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