optimum coating?

JaredPointer said:
I guess the thread got closed or shut down. I went over to get my daily dose of "I can pee farther than you can" and it wasn't there - or at least I couldn't find it. We needs us some drama over here at the DC. :)
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Yep, it was deleted and the OP was banned. I think he had an intrest in the product at least by a statement on his homepage. I kinda figured that from the get go.


As far as the product. 3 or more years out of something sprayed out of a paint gun, I'm just not buying it. I'd have to see it with my own eyes to buy into the hype.



WOOT! 1000 posts and it only took me a little over 3 years lol
 
TrueDetailer said:
Yep, it was deleted and the OP was banned. I think he had an intrest in the product at least by a statement on his homepage. I kinda figured that from the get go.


As far as the product. 3 or more years out of something sprayed out of a paint gun, I'm just not buying it. I'd have to see it with my own eyes to buy into the hype.



WOOT! 1000 posts and it only took me a little over 3 years lol
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Wow, Anthony O was banned? Seems like he's been banned from lots of detailing boards. He seems to be very knowledgeable, but I do think he is awfully close to the Optimum line.
 
JaredPointer said:
Wow, Anthony O was banned? Seems like he's been banned from lots of detailing boards. He seems to be very knowledgeable,
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I agree that Anthony seems to be very knowledgeable. He also has been very helpful for me at times.
JaredPointer said:
but I do think he is awfully close to the Optimum line.
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Absolutely, but he really doesn't make any secret about it.

It does appear that Anthony is still a member here and does still post under the user name "Anthony O."
 
Yes, I started that thread and yes I was again banned for the 2nd time in a year! I'm now infamous:D

Let me first state that I do not sell this product, yes I do sell some Optimum stuff to local detailers but I no longer have a website store and my total sales for the last 3 months is around $40......so you can see I don't really care if I sell anything or not because it's just not that important to me.

My reason for starting that thread over there was to show detailers (pros) that there is another way to make money rather than busting your buns all day buffing out paint. I had no idea it would grow into the monster it did....almost 5 pages in one night!

I was called a "shill" but if that was my purpose then I would have posted it on ALL 18 automotive forums that I belong to, including DC, but honestly that was not my purpose. I see that they not only banned me but also removed the entire thread, which is rather overkill in my eyes but it's not my forum.

I have also been banned once before from DC (and will most likely get banned again) but was asked to come back to share what I know with others BUT here is my dilemma. I mainly use Optimum products so when I comment or reply to people naturally I will mainly reply to people using or having questions associated with Optimum products....why? Well I have the most experience with these products.

I have already been told to "cool it" by DC admins (and I understand why) but when was my last post on DC and how many total posts do I have since being back? Why am I stating this? Well I want people to understand the "rock and hard place" situation I have here. I was thinking of posting up at the Optimum forums all the current info on this coating and posting up here a link to that BUT after some careful thought I figured that wouldn't be accepted and then removed.

So I shall give a quick run down of where the coating is now and try to do so without sounding like a "shill" or ticking off any sponsors.

Yes, at first the coating was to be applied via an air gun but after some additional beta samples it can now be applied as easily as OptiSeal or Clear Seal or the Ultima product.

It does not have a long shelf life thus the reason why it will not be sold in large quantities.

You can use 1 to 2 ounces per car.

I have no idea about price at the moment nor a specific date for its release, other than knowing it will be within 2 to 3 weeks.

It may be sold in a 5 or 10 pack set or also individuals.

Doctor G. claims he will only sell it to professional detailers. People wishing to try it can contact a local professional in their area who may have some.

It is not a wax nor your traditional sealant but rather more like a permanent wax/sealant. All the properties of a wax/sealant (UV protection, water sheeting/beading, ease of washing, drying) but lasts up to 3 years or more.

It's applied with a sponge (best is 100ppi) or with a low pile mf towel, even a paper towel works nicely but it has to be the blue shop type.

It can be applied to paint, clear and single stage, glass, plastics, hard trim and chrome.

Now I may be banned shortly after this but if so, I understand. I am not though selling anything here, only providing information. If anyone suggests I am getting paid for this then the burden of proof is on them to prove it. I have provided only information to peoples questions. I have given no links to websites on where to buy, no phone numbers to call, just seeking to answer questions and if anyone has anymore questions I will do my best to reply, if I can.

Thanks,
Anthony
 
All kidding and sarcasm aside, I would like to know how you evaluate something like that stays on the paint for as long as you claim. Are you looking at it through a microscope or doing some kind of chemical analysis on the vehicle finish? Just personal opinion and all, but I take someone saying "I have protection from BrandX for 2.375 months" with a grain of salt. Unless there is some scientific proof, it's really, really subjective - is it not?

I haven't seen it work, seen it applied, used it etc. But then again I've never done any of that with Glare, XZilon, 5year Stealership Shine, etc either and we all agree that those are "scams" or snake oil.

I guess more than anything, I'd like to know how you back up something like a three year claim when basically any other product in the entire world that claims that is a crock. Also, it seems some organization like NASCAR or NASA would be interested in a protective, sprayable layer that could last that long - seems like very high technology for just auotmobile detailing.

Also, if you have any right-turn technology, NASCAR would be interested in that as well. ;)
 
JaredPointer said:
All kidding and sarcasm aside, I would like to know how you evaluate something like that stays on the paint for as long as you claim. Are you looking at it through a microscope or doing some kind of chemical analysis on the vehicle finish? Just personal opinion and all, but I take someone saying "I have protection from BrandX for 2.375 months" with a grain of salt. Unless there is some scientific proof, it's really, really subjective - is it not?

I haven't seen it work, seen it applied, used it etc. But then again I've never done any of that with Glare, XZilon, 5year Stealership Shine, etc either and we all agree that those are "scams" or snake oil.

I guess more than anything, I'd like to know how you back up something like a three year claim when basically any other product in the entire world that claims that is a crock. Also, it seems some organization like NASCAR or NASA would be interested in a protective, sprayable layer that could last that long - seems like very high technology for just auotmobile detailing.

Also, if you have any right-turn technology, NASCAR would be interested in that as well. ;)
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Valid questions.

I can tell visually by the way the paint reacts with soap and water and also rinsing.

On some of the early test cars I used it on they are still beading/sheeting water almost exactly the same as when I first applied it. On my first test vehicle there is still a clear distinction between where I laid down a few strips and where there is nothing. That was over 3 years ago on that particular vehicle.

Another method of detection is that if applied thick enough it can literally be felt with your fingers as they are moved across the paint. You can feel where the product is.

Each time I speak about this coating I must also state that it is not an indestructible barrier or force field on or around a cars paint. It won't keep neglect and abuse from doing damage to your car. If you park it under a grove of trees and don't bother to wash off the bird crap and sap and expect it to be like nothing ever happened then you'll be upset because nothing will protect paint from that type of damage.

Anthony
 
Fair enough explanation. Still very subjective. I've seen water bead on my own truck differently when using water from my house than at my parents house in a different city. My only explanation for that is different particulates in the water, or different chemicals. I've also seen hell tight beading on fresh paint as well as vehicles I've just polished and IPA'ed. I guess there's no "scientific" way of testing if there's a sacrificial layer of something on the vehicle paint surface.
 
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