Opti Seal for high volume details - Lower Quarter Panel Only?

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Bunk... Re the scam ... Please read back... I more than clarified that issue more than once ... Your getting more and more shallow all the time.. Everyone but you reading this thread can clearly see based, on your initial post, which was a little vague, I made that comment including the word"IF". I clearly didn't say you were involved in that scam and I also didn't say sealants were a scam. You keep throwing that back out like I made those claims and I didn't .


Regarding adding wax to the Waterless wash (ONR etc ) that came from another thread you were involved with where you asked if "you could add wax " to a waterless where I then commented about the chemistry. ONR comes with and without wax .


I sorry but when you say "Hand wash & Wax" it implies its a 2 step process. As far as your comment about lobbying to remove rinseless washes from the forum??? I said nothing about rinsless washes .. What I DID say was what you were offering falls more into what we would call express washing as opposed to detailing.


Please stop bending my comments to make me look bad ... My last 2 posts were totally on subject.


Myself I think you have the answers ,wanted or not, to your original question " would the bottom stay cleaner and protected from rocks". Many very experienced people have said no to both. Why not just close the thread.
 
I'm a little lost on protecting the sides. Every dealer I have spoken with is more concerned with the tops and rear. It is where most contamination collects. One local dealers express specifically states "clay bar top surfaces and wax" I can see where side protection is not worth doing if not the whole car. Buyers see the hood first and top sides usually do to lighting sides are dark. Just my opinion and understand from what dealers have told me.
I don't think anyone was bashing but trying to understand the concept and how it may be tweaked.
 
bunkeroo26 said:
House, the math doesn't work out that way.

There are 10 panels and 8 different sides to the towel.

All that is needed, is to do both of the door panels on

each side together. If you with from the top down, this is

not a problem , because it is the bottom that is dirtiest.



Sure sometimes, is needed to change out early, if car very dirty etc.



Jess, things can be asked politely, without insulting my work and saying

that it isn't Detailing at all. If that was the case, you should lobby to remove

all talks of rinse less washes from the entire forum. He didn't insult me, intentionally

or unintentionally. And, you do know that ONR comes with wax, right? You are

even questioning me doing this, as it will "change the chemistry, and screw it up."

This is another part that doesn't need questioned in the method that you ask it.

Again, talking about coatings and you use the word scam. Why do you revert to these

Insulting terms.



You sir/maam have shown zero professional courtesy to me, including the way that you

pose your "concerns"
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Hi bunk, abit off topic but this can perhaps help you?



http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/115271-things-have-changed-here/



That thread have inspired me a lot! And it have also opened new doors and possibilities for me, my goal is to take around 23 usd 30min work for a quickwash with opti-seal outside only. The thing is to get customers to the shop and do extra up sells to them :)
 
Stampe, that is the general idea......

It is good to be inspired, i hope you can make your business work.


Hey John, the initial idea for Opti Seal ing just the sides,

was to protect my job. Since they care mainly about roof and hood,

I wanted to seal the bottom so that it would be easier to clean on

weekly touch ups. I want them to look at the hood, and think that they

need to call my crew out.


I looked at a test vehicle today and dealing the lower did make it easier to

clean, but i don't think the labor was with worth it. Plus, it seems a pain to try

and remember what i sealed before and which cars are new.


Jess, about me calling ONRww a Hand wash and Wax, i think is just clever

marketing. They are realistic and don't expect a paste wax for the price i am

offering. I saw a cooking show where they took pre-made cookie dough,

forms the cookies by hand, and calls them hand made. It is just perspective.


It's just like some calling a pressure washer and shamois a "wash". We know that

this is a stretch. I definitely do not mislead customers, i make sure of that.

I guess it all depends on how you approach the subject.
 
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Stampe, that is the general idea......
It is good to be inspired, i hope you can make your business work.

Hey John, the initial idea for Opti Seal ing just the sides,
was to protect my job. Since they care mainly about roof and hood,
I wanted to seal the bottom so that it would be easier to clean on
weekly touch ups. I want them to look at the hood, and think that they
need to call my crew out.

I looked at a test vehicle today and dealing the lower did make it easier to
clean, but i don't think the labor was with worth it. Plus, it seems a pain to try
and remember what i sealed before and which cars are new.

Jess, about me calling ONRww a Hand wash and Wax, i think is just clever
marketing. They are realistic and don't expect a paste wax for the price i am
offering. I saw a cooking show where they took pre-made cookie dough,
forms the cookies by hand, and calls them hand made. It is just perspective.

It's just like some calling a pressure washer and shamois a "wash". We know that
this is a stretch. I definitely do not mislead customers, i make sure of that.
I guess it all depends on how you approach the subject.[/quote]
You make my head spin, no offense.
 
so you want to do a crappy job to create more work for yourself???  WHY?  Wouldn't it make sense to detail it once and then maintain?  easier on your crew and the dealerships pocketbook...win win for everyone.


 


Sounds like you are getting greedy...poor business tactics and you will be out of business faster this way.  Create a demand for your service, exceed expectations (throw in free headlights on some cars, metal polishing on others, etc) and you will have more work than trying to nickel and dime an already stingy and frugal dealership.
 
toyotaguy said:
so you want to do a crappy job to create more work for yourself??? WHY? Wouldn't it make sense to detail it once and then maintain? easier on your crew and the dealerships pocketbook...win win for everyone.



Sounds like you are getting greedy...poor business tactics and you will be out of business faster this way. Create a demand for your service, exceed expectations (throw in free headlights on some cars, metal polishing on others, etc) and you will have more work than trying to nickel and dime an already stingy and frugal dealership.
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Bingo.
 
You all don't know me. Don't assume about me.

Calling me greedy and saying that i am doing a crappy job is

Offensive and uncalled for.


I expected better from this forum.


Toyota, wax, Jess please don't respond unless you want to be constructive.

I do not appreciate your questioning of my business in the manner that you

ask and say things.


If this thread bothers you so much, you don't need to put time into it.
 
1. The info wasnt needed because that isn't what the thread is about. YOU took it offtrack

because you can't comprehend what i am doing.


2. Came off as a "kid". See, you started with absolutely zero courtesy to me. You have treated me this way

the entire thread, and you know nothing about me or my business.


3. Dont judge you? Why? You've done nothing but judge me, with pointed comments to boot.

Perhaps you should reread your comments before you accuse me of anything.


From the beginning you have offended me Jess.

Whether you think that you were constructive or not, i have not appreciated your "input".

It has been uncalled crticism and questioning.


The word "SCAM" should never come into your mouth when talking about my business.

You are free to describe your business in this way if you would like, just not mine.
 
Usually when you say "no offense", it's better left unsaid.

But, why does my business plan make your head spin?

What is so disturbing to you?


I could agree it disagree with your head spin comment if you gave some information.


Did you miss where i agreed that sealing the lower quarter panel isn't the best idea?

I just responded because you asked why i had thought of it in the first place.


Other peoples heads are spinning because they don't think that i can work the business

model that i have described. It is their own preconceptions that stop free thinking.


I am curious why your head is spinning.
 
It is funny that people haven't laughed out at you for saying 23 to 30 minutes including Opti Seal.

I personally know this is possible (without seal), and i commend you for wanting to better yourself.

Just because you do things quick, doesn't mean that you must sacrifice quality.


It is interesting that you want to do this with just one person. I have found 3 to be easier.

This way the is less "picking up and putting down" of items and towels. There is a lots of money

in the volume business, but gaining that business is often looked down upon here, because

side people view themselves as "better than that'. Do what you need bud, its your business,

I wish you luck.
 
Moderator... No one here has showed bunk disrespect , if it us that your above post is directed at. He has bent most comments to suit his needs. Take for instance my original post ,specifically post #2 in this thread , I "clearly" said IF he was doing the scam. I didn't say he was nor did I imply sealants were scams. Nor did I say/imply his business was a scam and I have clarified that more than once.


Now he has turned around and reversed on some of the others ... Moderator if your above post is directed at me,

.. Please say so .. If not then please direct it accordingly.


Merry Christmas.
 
My point is to keep the discussion respectful and objective without taking things so personal. Its not aimed at any one person. We don't need this going off the deep end.
 
I appreciate every body's input about Opti Seal.

I agree with the speed of installation, being condusive to high volume work.

While this is easy to install, will dealers really care enough?

I don't see how Opti Seal would make the car more appealing at first glance.


There is a dealer who wants their entire lot sealed.

The demand is there, we just need to educate how this can help them.

If it helps to give better quality vehicle, sure they would be up for it.


This client was not interested in sealing just the bottom of their panels.

I did secure another client who just wants their rims sealed, as they thought this would

keep the brake dust off of them. We will see if this service satisfies them.

Oddly enough, the only other thing they inquired about sealing was the side mirrors.

I can't see this making much sense, but the want to pay dollars and the customer

is always right.


The rims client wants to move up to Opti Coat. What I want to experiment with,

is thinning the Opti Coat with the Seal for some different applications. I am not

sure if this will work, but it is my understanding that these two products just had

different concentrations of similar active ingredients. This would also make a much

more budget concious coating.
 
bunkeroo26 said:
It is funny that people haven't laughed out at you for saying 23 to 30 minutes including Opti Seal.

I personally know this is possible (without seal), and i commend you for wanting to better yourself.

Just because you do things quick, doesn't mean that you must sacrifice quality.



It is interesting that you want to do this with just one person. I have found 3 to be easier.

This way the is less "picking up and putting down" of items and towels. There is a lots of money

in the volume business, but gaining that business is often looked down upon here, because

side people view themselves as "better than that'. Do what you need bud, its your business,

I wish you luck.
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I mean i charge 23 dollars for around 30 min of work.



I am at a fixed location so everything is close to hands, but as i say this is the cheapest handwash i offer. Still a good wash thou, and everything is about selling extra services to the customers and get the company name out on the market :)



I would treat the WHOLE car with os because it goes so fast, and offers a good protection.



Well the washes for me is mostly for filling up the small timegaps i have between the coatings.



Well i dont think people looks down on you because you aren't a high end detailer, it is just as justin said as well about adapting to the market. And that is what i have realised as well, every ppl dont want to pay for the best and most time consuming details ( thou i love that work as well ) they just want there car to look clean. But what i think anoys ppl are when crappy carcare is done, by hacks!!! I dont like it either. It brings the buissniss down giving hard working ppl bad rumors if you get what i mean.



Like this customer that came to me with a car, this is what the former detailer left

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And that detailer had 3 chances to do it right!!!

And i turned that car into this

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Just because i offer some cheap services it dos not mean i cant offer other services with good quality, sorry for taking this abit off topic. But what i want to have said is, if you offer services make sure the quality is good. I rely dont know how to say it, use products what they are ment for, good wash mitts mf towels etc sorry writing so much but i hope you get my point :)
 
Stampe, you are right... Definitely...

I think that giving someone a better wash than they have

ever had is a great way to earn a customers respect.

This is a great way to talk about the other services that i do,

as you said to get them in the door so to speak.


23 bucks for 30 minutes is a great price point.

I found that tires take up a large portion of time, and dealers

are more worried about their paint. While i would never let rims

go untouched for a normal client, a dealer is all about speed and

money. Plus they can have some schmo do all their rims for

a few dollars.


Love the reflection from the clouds. Well done.


There are some people who view details only by pric, and some by quality also.

If i could only find the ones in the second group, it would make things simpler.

Right now, i am working on transforming the first groups priorities.

They need to understand that cleaning cars correctly will cost less over time.

The trick is to work with companies that don't have the highest vehicle turnover.

Because their lot isn't cycled weekly, they care more about quality.
 
This is the third time Moderators have been back to this thread because folks could not keep it on topic or refrain from personal attacks or disrespectful remarks.


It's a big world out there and people do things differently. Respect that fact. Understand that 'your' thoughts, opinions and beliefs are not better or more right than the next guys.


This thread is closed. Take a deep breath before posting again. Thanks.
 
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