Opti-coat users: Whaddya think?

rydawg said:
Who's got a sample for me?:):hifive:
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No doubt Ryan, I am wanting a sample of this too! Perhaps I should email Dr. G and see what can be done on getting me a sample to play with.
 
To clear everything up on this subject.........



The Opti Coat can only be sold to a detailing business and the waiver has to be signed. A detailing enthusiast cannot buy the product due to liability issues. Since the coating has a slight learning curve and if applied wrong, it could be a mess. The only way to remove this coating is with a rotary and a compound. After 30 minutes the product is cured and there is nothing that can be done if applied too thick in areas and you can tell a difference.



We have the coating in stock, but like I said, we can only sell to an actual detailing business with the liability waiver filled out first.
 
I understand the liability concerns, really I do, but I can go to Poop Boys and buy a can of matching touch up paint and make my car look like a mess, too...same difference. Or the ol' can of rubbing compound on that scratch ("I tried to rub the scratch out and now the whole area is a lighter color...") Ding dongs are perfectly capable of goofing up their car...waiver or not.



Hopefully by the time I get my next new car us "enthusiasts" will be able to get this stuff.
 
This was posted by Anthony Orosco at Optimum Forums and is probably one of the reasons that DR G has decided not to sell the product to Average Joes.



(Quote)We are here in South Texas and we deal with high temps and high humidity so I can share with you that concern in regards to heat. We have to apply the OptiCoat in the cool of the morning which can be difficult because while it may be 75 the humidity is 90%.



It can be applied in the heat but it takes a lot more patience and practice. Smaller areas need to be done as it flashes quicker.(end Quote)
 
Obsessive said:
To clear everything up on this subject.........



The Opti Coat can only be sold to a detailing business and the waiver has to be signed. A detailing enthusiast cannot buy the product due to liability issues. Since the coating has a slight learning curve and if applied wrong, it could be a mess. The only way to remove this coating is with a rotary and a compound. After 30 minutes the product is cured and there is nothing that can be done if applied too thick in areas and you can tell a difference.



We have the coating in stock, but like I said, we can only sell to an actual detailing business with the liability waiver filled out first.
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Are you saying that PrepSolv won't remove Opti Coat? Is Opti Coat soy based paintable polymers?
 
Ya, this product is such a tease!

Are there any vids of Opti coat application?



So interested to learn more about it.
 
Obsessive said:
To clear everything up on this subject.........



The Opti Coat can only be sold to a detailing business and the waiver has to be signed. A detailing enthusiast cannot buy the product due to liability issues. Since the coating has a slight learning curve and if applied wrong, it could be a mess. The only way to remove this coating is with a rotary and a compound. After 30 minutes the product is cured and there is nothing that can be done if applied too thick in areas and you can tell a difference.



We have the coating in stock, but like I said, we can only sell to an actual detailing business with the liability waiver filled out first.
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if the reason is liability issues, than can you sell to those located outside of the states?
 
335i said:
if the reason is liability issues, than can you sell to those located outside of the states?
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Yes, I can still ship international, but the same rules have to be followed, you must have a detailing business and the waiver has to be signed.
 
Obsessive said:
Yes, I can still ship international, but the same rules have to be followed, you must have a detailing business and the waiver has to be signed.
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ok great. can u email me at this address: tcceedd [at] gmail . com
 
SuperBee364 said:
The air brushing technique can be used to apply most WOWA sealants. There's a few threads around with the basics on how to do this, but of course I can't find them now.
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....I tried this with OS after reading one of those threads and was really suprised how well it worked. Once I had the pressure and the airbrush set properly, application was very even, easy and fast.
 
wannafbody said:
Are you saying that PrepSolv won't remove Opti Coat? Is Opti Coat soy based paintable polymers?
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Yep, a prep solvent won't touch it.



ONR has paintable soy based polymers, but I don't know about the other products...
 
Bence said:
Yep, a prep solvent won't touch it.



ONR has paintable soy based polymers, but I don't know about the other products...
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So if a car is coated with OptiCoat and is in an accident and needs a repaint the coating needs to be sanded or compounded off the entire car-good luck getting a body shop to do that. If this can't be painted over then the waiver is needed because your probably gonna be SOL. Once a body shop realizes that the car has a coating that can't come off they probably won't touch the car:sadpace:



Makes me glad I used Zaino on my Miata. It got repainted and my painter had no issues whatsoever.
 
All covalent silane coatings work/are like that.



Optimum, Nanolex, Echelon, JGlaze, AQuartz, G'Zox, Matrix Micro, Nanopool, Sonax, Keepre Diamond, etc., etc., etc.



If they would prove risky for the refinish industry, the whole coating-approach would have gone to Dodoland, yet the technology is alive and kickin' and it's way more than a decade old...
 
If one wants something like Opti-Coat look into nano sealants in the UK, such as G|Tech or Nanolex (sp) both offer similar products. Both have two lines ones for pro that a regular person can get that last 1-2 year and consumer that last around 6-8 months.
 
Bence said:
All covalent silane coatings work/are like that.



Optimum, Nanolex, Echelon, JGlaze, AQuartz, G'Zox, Matrix Micro, Nanopool, Sonax, Keepre Diamond, etc., etc., etc.



If they would prove risky for the refinish industry, the whole coating-approach would have gone to Dodoland, yet the technology is alive and kickin' and it's way more than a decade old...
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so which product is the best?



Also which Sonax product is the long-term one i couldnt find a sealant in their premium line of products?



thanks for pointing these out though its really irritating that Optimum treats us enthusiasts like we are fools even though i believe some here are more experienced than "professional detailers with a registered business" at least the rest of us have alternatives
 
sockster said:
so which product is the best?



Also which Sonax product is the long-term one i couldnt find a sealant in their premium line of products?



thanks for pointing these out though its really irritating that Optimum treats us enthusiasts like we are fools even though i believe some here are more experienced than "professional detailers with a registered business" at least the rest of us have alternatives
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Optimum isn't treating people like fools. They are protecting themselves from liability should an untrained person apply the product and mess up. It's a smart move on their part. If the product flashes too fast in hot humid weather then even application can be an issue.



Still, I'm skeptical that a product that can't be removed with a prep product is "safe" in the hands of an average american bodyshop. Maybe Germany has higher trained body shops due to more prevalent products of that nature.
 
sockster said:
so which product is the best?



Also which Sonax product is the long-term one i couldnt find a sealant in their premium line of products?



thanks for pointing these out though its really irritating that Optimum treats us enthusiasts like we are fools even though i believe some here are more experienced than "professional detailers with a registered business" at least the rest of us have alternatives
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Sockster, based on the everyday experiences where people apply waxes with a shovel and they wonder that the wax layer is hard to remove, well, I think Optimum's move is a smart one.



But if you are proficient with a WOWA sealant, the application of a coating won't be hard at all. Just a thin layer and follow the instructions of the manufacturer regarding the particular setting time of the coating.



Here's the Sonax: SONAX ProfiLine NanoLackProtect :: Produktsuche - Autopflege, Lackpflege & Waschanlagenprodukte von SONAX - reinigen und polieren wie die Profis



It can be tricky to acquire it, because for example in Sweden you can't buy it unless (you guessed it) you have a detailing business. Here in Hungary it can be bought in any shop which carries Sonax (except malls), and it is dirt cheap (around US$17-22; 50 ml aerosol).



They are packaging it along with a paint cleaner in their Premium line too. This set costs significantly more at around 100 bucks, but contains a training DVD as well. SONAX PremiumClass NanoLackVersiegelung :: Produktsuche - Autopflege, Lackpflege & Waschanlagenprodukte von SONAX - reinigen und polieren wie die Profis
 
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