OPT Paste wax

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I like to use paste waxes because of the look and durability .



Anyone know if OPT is working on such a thing at all ? I do like the stuff they have but have durability's with LSP's.



I live in the road salt/sand belt of Wisconsin . :(
 
I'd be surprised if they did. Optimum seems to be very focused on results without a lot of work. Their durability product is Opticoat. Optiseal is great, but yeah, won't last through winter.
 
I've asked Dr. G about this many times, he seems to feel that since his current LSPs are so easy to use and durable, it wouldn't be cost effective to formulate, package and market a paste wax.



Optimum does have a forum and a facebook presence, maybe if others let it be known they'd be interested in an Optimum paste wax, he might reconsider.
 
Not for cars parked outdoors 24/7. Optiseal is good for about a month and a half before beading starts to degrade. OCW is about a month. In comparison, Zaino/Collinite/NuFinish are good for six months in the same conditions.



I still love both but they are not durable products for winter use where you won't be able to re-touch the surface due to low temps.
 
With all the excellent paste waxes available, it's hard to think of a good reason for Optimum to commit the resources to develop yet another paste wax in an over-loaded market. What would distinguish it from all the others? Are many people going to buy a paste wax just because it is made and sold by Optimum?



I love and prefer paste waxes (more for the aesthetic enjoyment of application than anything else) and have tried my share of them. If Optimum were to offer a paste wax, I doubt I would purchase it. I'm sure it would be a fine product ... but there are lots of fine paste waxes out there, and not a lot distinguishes one from the other, except maybe smell. Yes, I can sometimes see differences in appearance (at least I think I can--often I think it's just my imagination). And as far as durability, well, most seem to last about the same 6-8 weeks. Souveran, of course, only lasts two weeks. 1000p lasts for many months.



My favorites: Victoria Concours Red, Wolfgang Fuzion, Swissvax Best of Show. Runners-up: P21S 100% and FK 1000p.
 
Scottwax said:
Opti-Seal last a long time here.
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Yeah, my area seems to be hard on anything and I only judge durability on cars parked outside 24/7. I'd love to get more durability out of it as its only good for summer time use here, once winter rolls around its too cold to use anything for about a 60-90 window depending on the year.



akimel said:
With all the excellent paste waxes available, it's hard to think of a good reason for Optimum to commit the resources to develop yet another paste wax in an over-loaded market. What would distinguish it from all the others? Are many people going to buy a paste wax just because it is made and sold by Optimum?
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I think a lot of people would buy it simply because it was from Optimum. Personally, what I'd like to see is something that is very durable, something that really pushes the envelope past Zaino but doesn't require quite the time commitment of Opticoat. There are plenty of products that last almost as long as Zaino but none that really exceed . That would fill in a nice niche. If it didn't stain trim, all the better. As far as looks, who cares, I can get my gloss from a quick detailer.
 
nitro seal comes to mind for something that is supposed to last longer than zaino. maybe i'll get around to putting the ns i have on the car instead of collecting dust on the shelf.
 
The reason I had asked was simply because OPT has a nice shine to it .



I have to totally disagree with the durability issue. It does work well in summer here in Wi. but the OCW just get eaten alive here in winter and road salt. I like there product and have tried some new stuff for tires and interior and like it . Thats why I was looking for the durability of a paste was like I can get from Collinite 476 , Megs #16 , ect....
 
Given that durability is the decisive concern in this thread, perhaps one question to ask is: Are paste waxes characteristically more durable than liquid waxes? Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what I have read, I think the answer may be no.



We first note that some paste waxes are more durable than others. Collinite 476s & 915, FK 1000p, and Meg's M16 are noted for their relative durability; but many other paste waxes are known for their relative lack of durability, e.g., Souveran, the Nattys, Lusso Oro, P21S. What seems to be most important is the ingredients used. (The more synthetic the better?)



Secondly, the most durable paste waxes are well matched, if not exceeded, by the most durable liquid waxes. Zaino and Klasse immediately come to mind. Some sealants in the Duragloss line also enjoy a reputation of strong durability. Also Collinite 845.



When it comes to durability, do paste waxes have an advantage over liquid synthetic waxes?
 
akimel said:
Given that durability is the decisive concern in this thread, perhaps one question to ask is: Are paste waxes characteristically more durable than liquid waxes? Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what I have read, I think the answer may be no.



We first note that some paste waxes are more durable than others. Collinite 476s & 915, FK 1000p, and Meg's M16 are noted for their relative durability; but many other paste waxes are known for their relative lack of durability, e.g., Souveran, the Nattys, Lusso Oro, P21S. What seems to be most important is the ingredients used. (The more synthetic the better?)



Secondly, the most durable paste waxes are well matched, if not exceeded, by the most durable liquid waxes. Zaino and Klasse immediately come to mind. Some sealants in the Duragloss line also enjoy a reputation of strong durability. Also Collinite 845.



When it comes to durability, do paste waxes have an advantage over liquid synthetic waxes?
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Note that a few of those waxes are really what I'd consider sealants (e.g., FK1000P, Klasse, Zaino).



Just IME, but most of my paste products do last longer than most of my liquids. Many of my liquid sealants/synthetics (e.g., Blackfire, UPP) don't last nearly as long as most of my paste products (e.g., FK1000P, M16, 3M Showcar Paste Wax). Even very durable sealants like KSG require numerous layers to be very durable.



I haven't used many liquid waxes for a long time, but ones like Griot's Best of Show, Meg's #26 or Malm's never last all that long for me, though the Malm's isn't bad.



Collinite 845 is odd IME, sometimes it lasts and other times it doesn't. But it's *never* held up as well as their 476S paste for me. IIRC, its durability comes from "resins".



Eh....I dunno how much we can generalize about paste/liquid though :nixweiss
 
Accumulator said:
Note that a few of those waxes are really what I'd consider sealants (e.g., FK1000P, Klasse, Zaino).
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Yes, I agree. I was using the term "wax" loosely.



Here's another question: How many synthetic paste sealants are there? 1000p immediately comes to mind, as do OTC products like Meguiar's Ultimate Wax and Mother's SynWax. Obviously there's no problem making a synthetic paste wax, but I guess many (most?) folks prefer their sealants in liquid form.
 
Chris@Optimum said:
Yes, I know...but we're not a sponser so I cannot comment.
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Thanks for following the rules Chris. We'd love to have Optimum sponsor Autopia some day when you're up to it.
 
No problem, David...I just didn't want your members to think I wasn't around because I wasn't answering. I'm always around, LOL. Maybe 2012's budget will allow us to have a legitimate presence here, we'll see. Thanks for your support!



-Chris
 
Chris@Optimum said:
No problem, David...I just didn't want your members to think I wasn't around because I wasn't answering. I'm always around, LOL. Maybe 2012's budget will allow us to have a legitimate presence here, we'll see. Thanks for your support!



-Chris
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Chris,



As a customer of your company's product it is great to see that you are willing to help us. We truly appreciate all your input and assistance.
 
Chris@Optimum said:
No problem, David...I just didn't want your members to think I wasn't around because I wasn't answering. I'm always around, LOL. Maybe 2012's budget will allow us to have a legitimate presence here, we'll see. Thanks for your support!



-Chris
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It would be like a dream come true to have a company that I've supported do the same. Especially in such a place that its brand(and you) already has such a strong and positive presence in. Looking forward to great things happening in 2012!!
 
I'd like to see Optimum come out with an LSP that has better durability than Opitseal and OCW, but doesn't require the skilled talent of applying Opticoat. Something more of a happy medium in between the two that offers durability that ranks with or surpasses durable sealnats such FK1000P. I have always like Optimum products for their ease of use, and if they came out with an LSP like this I'd be one of the first ones to give it try
 
wascallyrabbit said:
nitro seal comes to mind for something that is supposed to last longer than zaino. maybe i'll get around to putting the ns i have on the car instead of collecting dust on the shelf.
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NS is the glossiest LSP I've ever used on clients car without losing depth. My client was so blown away he gave me $50 tip on top of the invoice. I don't know how I'm going to offer a lesser product now.
 
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