Opinions of Meg's M21

how about this?....



Protection: how well the paint is guarded from the environment.



Durability: the duration of the protection that it is able to provide.
 
how about this?....



Protection: how well the paint is guarded from the environment.



Durability: the duration of the protection that it is able to provide.
 
DJ Trackie said:
how about this?....



Protection: how well the paint is guarded from the environment.



Durability: the duration of the protection that it is able to provide.
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That is what I was thinking. I made a post on MOL to ask Mike about it.
 
DJ Trackie said:
how about this?....



Protection: how well the paint is guarded from the environment.



Durability: the duration of the protection that it is able to provide.
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That is what I was thinking. I made a post on MOL to ask Mike about it.
 
Mosca said:
All Meguiar's LSPs are water based, according to Mike Phillips. I had an in-depth phone discussion with him about this. I too was surprised to discover it.



One of the things I found using #21 is that water will actually separate out from the product as you use it. Drops of water will come up on the back of the pad. If you saturate the pad too much, you can squeeze it and water will drip out. This is a concern of mine about #21, that it has a tendency to de-emulsify, and with a large container the shelf life might not be as long as an average user might desire.





Tom
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Hi Tom,



I remember our phone call conversation but I don't remember ever stating that all Meguiar's waxes are water-based, that would mean they are based upon water and that's not true.



I think what I did say was that due to new EPA regulation whereupon car polish manufactures must remove VOC's from their products in order to meet the new stringent regulations, that Meguiar's doesn't have to rely on solvents to liquefy a wax, or paint sealant.





I don't want wrong information circling the glove via the Internet so I hope nobody minds that I chimed in here. I will also do my best to answer the question posted on MOL by ebpcivicsi.



One more comment, I coined the term LSP back in 1991 or so, here's a thread that discusses this,



what does LSP mean?!



And while in most case, for most people, an LSP will be a wax or paint protectant, it could just as well be a glaze like #7 Show Car Glaze if that's the last step product a person applies to their finish before wiping it off and then standing back and admiring the results.
 
Mosca said:
All Meguiar's LSPs are water based, according to Mike Phillips. I had an in-depth phone discussion with him about this. I too was surprised to discover it.



One of the things I found using #21 is that water will actually separate out from the product as you use it. Drops of water will come up on the back of the pad. If you saturate the pad too much, you can squeeze it and water will drip out. This is a concern of mine about #21, that it has a tendency to de-emulsify, and with a large container the shelf life might not be as long as an average user might desire.





Tom
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Hi Tom,



I remember our phone call conversation but I don't remember ever stating that all Meguiar's waxes are water-based, that would mean they are based upon water and that's not true.



I think what I did say was that due to new EPA regulation whereupon car polish manufactures must remove VOC's from their products in order to meet the new stringent regulations, that Meguiar's doesn't have to rely on solvents to liquefy a wax, or paint sealant.





I don't want wrong information circling the glove via the Internet so I hope nobody minds that I chimed in here. I will also do my best to answer the question posted on MOL by ebpcivicsi.



One more comment, I coined the term LSP back in 1991 or so, here's a thread that discusses this,



what does LSP mean?!



And while in most case, for most people, an LSP will be a wax or paint protectant, it could just as well be a glaze like #7 Show Car Glaze if that's the last step product a person applies to their finish before wiping it off and then standing back and admiring the results.
 
Thanks for the clarification, Mike. I remember being surprised to hear that; we were talking about #21 and other products, and I had said that if you put a glob of #21 or ColorX on your paint and wipe it around with a foam applicator and putting some elbow grease into it, clear water droplets will de-emulsify out. I just did that about an hour ago, I ColorX'd my Sube before dinner. The talk then turned toward solvents, and I guess I misinterpreted what you said. I think we agreed that the main solvent was water, and I took that to mean "water based".



Now, will you talk to the marketing guys about 16oz bottles of #21 so I can buy some?





Tom
 
Thanks for the clarification, Mike. I remember being surprised to hear that; we were talking about #21 and other products, and I had said that if you put a glob of #21 or ColorX on your paint and wipe it around with a foam applicator and putting some elbow grease into it, clear water droplets will de-emulsify out. I just did that about an hour ago, I ColorX'd my Sube before dinner. The talk then turned toward solvents, and I guess I misinterpreted what you said. I think we agreed that the main solvent was water, and I took that to mean "water based".



Now, will you talk to the marketing guys about 16oz bottles of #21 so I can buy some?





Tom
 
Durability doesnt mean it isnt a great protecting wax, it most likely is. 21 lasts longer though, but if it has less actual protection, which one is better ?
 
Durability doesnt mean it isnt a great protecting wax, it most likely is. 21 lasts longer though, but if it has less actual protection, which one is better ?
 
how bad is it to apply Meguiar's #21 by hand in the sun? Will it totally fail? Or be just not as nice as if it were in the shade? Should I shorten the drying time?



This would be going on a blue Subaru sedan.
 
I dont care too much about the durability or the protection.What I care about is how long the looks last. If I use any wax and in 3 weeks , I put another coat of the same wax on and it looks better, I assume the first coat of wax lasted 3 weeks. Thats why I use so much qds to make that look last.
 
FWIW, Megs is also selling #21 in 16oz bottles now.



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