ONR v3 LSP Friendly?

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shadow85

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There has been some concern with previous versions of ONR degrading LSP's. Does anyone know if v3 more LSP friendly?
 
I have not found it to be anymore unfriendly than most normal car wash soaps. A lot of it depends on what type of LSP is on the paint to begin with, and how long its been there.
 
Never had an issue with any version of ONR and any wax or sealant I've used. ONR v3 will keep the paint slick indefinitely it appears.
 
ONR v3 is awesome, I've had many customers come out of their house just as I've finished washing their car and they say "holy crap, you're done already, it looks great!". And I'm like, nope just washed it, haven't even gotten the polisher out yet. I've never had any problems with any LSP either with it.
 
I was the guy who first reported how ONR v2.0 could kill certain Collinites, even when they were nice and fresh...so I'm glad to hear it doesn't seem to be that way with the v3.0.



But I'm still kinda leaning towards Gary Dean's IUDJ stuff instead.
 
Accumulator said:
I was the guy who first reported how ONR v2.0 could kill certain Collinites, even when they were nice and fresh...so I'm glad to hear it doesn't seem to be that way with the v3.0.



But I'm still kinda leaning towards Gary Dean's IUDJ stuff instead.
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Yes, I wasnt sure if it still affected 845. I heard great things about the IUDJ, but at $160 per gallon, it's way more expensive than ONR.
 
Accumulator said:
I was the guy who first reported how ONR v2.0 could kill certain Collinites, even when they were nice and fresh...so I'm glad to hear it doesn't seem to be that way with the v3.0.



But I'm still kinda leaning towards Gary Dean's IUDJ stuff instead.
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I also had issues with ONRv2 and 845, and I believe Umi did as well. FWIW, Garry's IUDJ is better in every respect to ONR for me.
 
Yeah...I don't want to jack this thread onto the IUDJ/ONR comparison, but some of the posts on other threads (posts by people whose opinions I consider reliable) make a great case for the IUDJ. Even the cost comparison can be pretty compelling, depending on how you calc/consider it.
 
OneQuickGT1 said:
I also found ONR to kill my 845. I've used other rinseless washes without issues. IUDJ seems interesting, but $$
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Meguiars NXT Car Wash killed 845 for me. Was using it on a couple cars for that customer I had who insisted I use his reverse osmosis/DI system to wash his cars.
 
Why does stuff kill 845? I've always thought of it as a very tough wax and recommend it to alot of people. I'm rethinking that now if things can kill it that easily. Sorry for the hijack, but I have got to know, I don't want customers coming back and complaining that the wax I told them would last a long time was gone after a wash with NXT or something else.
 
mikenap said:
I also had issues with ONRv2 and 845, and I believe Umi did as well. FWIW, Garry's IUDJ is better in every respect to ONR for me.
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Yep, I had issues with ONR v2 and 845 as well. I haven't used IUDJ, but I didn't have those problems with either DP Rinseless or UWW+ (used as a rinseless wash).
 
ExplicitDetails said:
Why does stuff kill 845? I've always thought of it as a very tough wax and recommend it to alot of people. I'm rethinking that now if things can kill it that easily. Sorry for the hijack, but I have got to know, I don't want customers coming back and complaining that the wax I told them would last a long time was gone after a wash with NXT or something else.
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Honestly, I don't get the love for 845. Looks really bright and clear so to me its more suited to metallics but my main issue is it isn't as durable (no matter what I or even a couple customers used to wash) as I was expecting. I like 476 a lot more. Has a richer, deeper look and holds up a lot better. IMO, Collinite 476 doesn't get nearly the love it deserves around here.
 
I have not had durability problems with 845. I know some have, but with proper prep I havent. I think much of the love comes from the ease of use. I also feel it looks very good on my white car.



I dont think it's the end all, however, and will be trying some other LSPs in the spring. 845 has been good...for me.
 
Never had a problem with any version of ONR. Plays well with everything I use ( Wolfs, Poxy, Nitroseal,HydroSeal, CMW... )
 
ExplicitDetails said:
Why does stuff kill 845? I've always thought of it as a very tough wax and recommend it to alot of people. I'm rethinking that now if things can kill it that easily..
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It seemed to be an ONR-specific issue. Otherwise 845 is pretty durable stuff, especially if layered. NO, it's not as durable (at least not with merely one coat) as 476S is, but it's more user-friendly and gives a slightly different look (brighter, more reflective...which isn't always what one might want).



There is strong evidence that 476S does *NOT* layer and that 845 *DOES*. IME, several layers of 845 can outlast 476S. But if you're only doing one coat, 476S will win.



So if you're only doing one coat (which I suppose is the norm for most pros), I'd go with 476S unless there's a trim issue or a looks preference. If you're gonna do more than one, and/or reapply somewhat regularly, then 845 might be better, especially if you're just gonna do the trim along with the paint.



Regulars here know I usually do a "Collinite Sandwich", with a base layer of 845, then a coat of 476S, then a 845 topper. I then add more 845 *before* the beading changes. I sometimes find it interesting to observe the diffs between how things are with the two waxes and I can certainly understand somebody preferring one over the other.



FWIW, I'm currently (only) using Collinite on the '93 Audi- rather dark blue pearl. While I *kinda* prefer how the 476S looks on it, it gets more compliments with 845. Actually sorta amazing how *many* compliments that old beater-car gets!
 
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