ONR Scratch TEST

[Scottwax]

Happy 4th Scott.:bounce

You too, Edwin!

Actually I found little time saving when I have used the waterless washing technique. Rolling up the hose takes about 2 minutes and filling up the buckets and drying is the same for both methods.

Typically, I can wash and dry a car using a rinseless wash in about half the time I can conventionally wash one. Probably helps that I've been using rinseless washes since 1993.

Layering Zaino has too become a thing of the past. Wash and Z8 or CS and "BAM" done until the urge hits me again.

One layer of non-ZFX'ed Z5 and Z8 seem to do a pretty good job of protecting the paint. Basically makes using Zaino as quick now as most other LSPs.

 

[dogma]

Hi Dogma. Happy 4th to you also.



I am sure the waterless wash work quite well and can be very safe in the right conditions like the one you mentioned. I have not found any problem with QEW, used as a QD, and Zaino bonding at all.

I agree with washing the garage queen that is only driven on nice days. I believe this marriage (garage queen and waterless washes) will work excellently.

Happy 4th to you. With long hours at work, 2 kids and a h#@ny wife I need the time savings with the new washing methods. I also workout every morning at 2am.

CS & Z8 have been a Godsend too.

 

[phil11]

I have also been happy with ONR. I find it saves time and I feel it is safe as well with proper prep. I also use the garden sprayer to pretreat and push dust / dirt off prior to ONR. Although I don't think it is needed, when I dry my sections, I hit them with a spritz of PB SW.

 

[BlackElantraGT]

It looked about right to me. Looked like a Wal Mart 2 gallon bucket - I use several of them. Normal concentration is the same amount of ONR in two gallons. I think there is little difference.



I like ONR as a wash on my small cars. Fast and easy. I also wash the "old fashioned" way and then use ONR in detail spray concentration to wipe down the car. Works great and leaves streak free windows and a nice shine. I like the stuff and it is pretty cheap to boot.

Except that's not a Walmart bucket, it's a clear bowl. I also have 2 of the cheapie $1.17 buckets from Walmart and IIRC, I've never seen one in that color. Just to give perspective as to how much less water this was than 6 quarts, you can see the size of the sink strainer, so from the looks of it I don't think this was a large, deep bowl. Plus why would he mix up 1 1/2 gallon of solution just to clean a CD? Also notice how the solution is a cloudy blue color. My ONR when diluted to 1 oz to 2 gallon is translucent. Even my QD mized 6 oz to 1 gallon is more translucent than that, so this mix he has has got to be even more concentrated than the recommended dilution for ONR QD.



NSXTASY,



How come you're skeptical about trying waterless washes? I would think if you're ok with ONR, you'd be ok with these type of products. For me, the only downside I see is the cost factor, especially since they don't come in a concentrate that you can dilute.



I really need to get a garden pump sprayer for ONR. My fingers get tired from squeezing the bottle when I pre-spray the car with ONR QD.



Like others have mentioned, I think ONR is a great product for a garage queen. The cars I work on all are daily drivers that sit 24/7 outside so I've never been able to fit a QD to my routine (besides after the wash, but then I have AW for that purpose). This product for me has become like a QD, when the car isn't all that dirty and I don't have much time.



One thing I do love about ONR is the "just waxed" look it leaves behind, all without the need to go back with QD or some sort of LSP booster wax.

 

[PhaRO]

Here are some responses to many of the comments and questions. I tried quoting each one but it became a mess.





I had considered placing some of the adhesive magnets on the cd and putting it on my vehicles. It would have taken several weeks and would be a good idea. I decided against it simply because I wanted a quick test that anyone could do themselves much like the scratch test that is used for mf towels. I had a few concerns about testing on a vehicle. One problem I have with putting the disc on the vehicle would be separating out the scratches that would appear from driving. My work truck goes down a couple of dirt, sandy gravel roads every week. The simple act of driving in those condition is going to leave minor scratching. On a dirty cd surface the scratches may be hard to see until you cleaned it. Once cleaned I'd have no way of telling if the scratches were pre existing or not. I suppose if you put 2 cds on the vehicle you could compare a normal wash and an ONR wash. If both had scratches I couldn't be certain one got more than the other.



I made two passes on each cleaning to purposely drag the mitt with grit across the surface. If I had a gritty area like that on a vehicle such as on the bumper behind the wheel I'd pre rinse it with my 2 gallon sprayer.



The bowl is 4.3 quarts it was overfilled some and the second cap had just a slightly smaller amount in it. The bowl is a light blue Tupperware bowl. That is probably why the mix looks very concentrated. ONR recommends 1/2 oz per gallon. Many use 1 oz per gallon. I tend to use somewhere inbetween. Typically if I filled a bucket with 3 gallons of water I'd use 3 full caps and 4th nearly full. Even if I filled the bowl with 4.3 quarts and 1oz of onr it would be less than double the dose. This is not many times the normal amount, it is less than 2. This is similar to what others are using.



Yes the salt and pepper would fall off it I dipped it in the bucket. To do so though would be pointless. The test was for scratching not to see if I could clean a dirty surface with ONR. I may do a more elaborate test to incorporate cleaning.



Several have mentioned problems with cleaning Pollen using ONR. I live in VA and we get ridiculous pollen. So much that you can see it in the air at times. By the time a car is cleaned you can easily see the pollen on the car. I've not ever had a problem with removing Pollen. I've also cleaned many vehicles that have a coating on them which I don't know exactly what it is. It is like a misting of sap and is sticky but dissolves fairly easily. I've not had problems either with bird bombs. I pre rinse with a sprayer or let is soak for a few seconds and make a pass. If all is not removed I repeat. It is easier to pressure wash them off but I want deploy my pressure washer for bird poo.



ONR cleaning seems to consistently take less time for people. I was very quick conventionally and for quite some time ONR took longer. Now though it is just a little faster for me.



Again I have no water restrictions or enforced regulations. I do my mobile business 4 days a week now as it is a second business for me. The money generated from my mobile business is not needed for living. I could use any soap or wash media I wanted and use 100 gallons on a wash and it wouldn't matter. I still clean cars because I love doing it and I like having two incomes. There is no reason for me to use ONR except that I believe it does a better job.