ONR and Zaino

Dan,
I was applying Zaino to Client`s vehicles over 20 years ago and thank goodness I learned all about "thin coats" and that is one of the many good things I took away from all those nights of 3 layers with catalyst per 24 hours, etc..

What I also did see with my own eyes on mostly the vehicles of the Independent Zaino Distributors` was definitely a layer of Zaino that looked beautiful because these guys were putting it on their cars all the time.. It did build up and one could tell the difference..

And of course I read all those guys saying that "after so many coats, the rest just falls off, etc., but I`m telling you, that must not be how Zaino works, because you can really tell there is some serious extra clear, glossy, coating going on there..

For that place in time there was nothing else out there that compared..

Sal Zaino was and is the first man I know of to promote and sell Sealants that went later into Coatings..

How all that got mixed into Duragloss, I know nothing about that part..
All I can tell you today is that the Zainostore.com website is alive and kicking..

I still use their awesome Leather Soft Cleaner, and their Leather Conditioner for those Clients that want the leather smell and great conditioning..
Their Glass Polish is really good for those water spotted glass sun roofs too and all the rest of the glass..
Dan F
 
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Zaino has, and still is a strong contender with anything else out there. It does layer well.
I happen to use it on my wife`s SUV. And I didn`t realize this. But I`m going to see how long it lasts, compared to my 2 coats of ceramic coating on my Taurus SHO. It will be fun to see which one outlasts the other. As far as ONR goes, he will be fine with the Zaino.

Zaino I have found is very forgiving and friendly with other sprays and washes.
 
peterp said:
...Zaino layers aren`t that tough when the catalyst isn`t used ...
Click to expand...

ZFX or not, Zaino just isn`t that tough. Has that unique kinda shine many like and the shine lasts but no amount of layering will protect against water spots/bird bombs. Or so says the water spot etched hood of our Corvette which was pretty much always ensconced in 3-4 layers of Zaino, topped with Clear Seal.

Got a lot of compliments on the look when clean, but protection and self-cleaning ability are certainly not its strong suit. Maybe that`s why they called it `Show Car Polish`. Neat stuff for it`s time and works well for non-daily drivers if you like that particular look...

So many nicer (and better protecting, easier to use) stuff out there now...Gyeon CanCoat, Kami Overcoat, IGL Premier, etc. Heck, I think just washing with Gyeon Bathe+ would provide better protection through it`s self-cleaning behavior.
 
Stokdgs said:
What I also did see with my own eyes on mostly the vehicles of the Independent Zaino Distributors` was definitely a layer of Zaino that looked beautiful because these guys were putting it on their cars all the time.. It did build up and one could tell the difference..

All I can tell you today is that the Zainostore.com website is alive and kicking..
Click to expand...

No doubt it`s a good product...but the last entry in the "What`s New" section of their website is from....February 2007. Not a lot going on in Zaino-land. Which is a little disappointing from the company that was first to market with a WOWA sealant (to Anthony Orosco`s chagrin, I remember, because he was working with OPT on Opti-Seal and Opti-Coat but couldn`t say anything about it at the time).
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
ZFX or not, Zaino just isn`t that tough. Has that unique kinda shine many like and the shine lasts but no amount of layering will protect against water spots/bird bombs. Or so says the water spot etched hood of our Corvette which was pretty much always ensconced in 3-4 layers of Zaino, topped with Clear Seal.

Got a lot of compliments on the look when clean, but protection and self-cleaning ability are certainly not its strong suit. Maybe that`s why they called it `Show Car Polish`. Neat stuff for it`s time and works well for non-daily drivers if you like that particular look...

So many nicer (and better protecting, easier to use) stuff out there now...Gyeon CanCoat, Kami Overcoat, IGL Premier, etc. Heck, I think just washing with Gyeon Bathe+ would provide better protection through it`s self-cleaning behavior.
Click to expand...

I had the exact same experience on several vehicles wearing Zaino. The etchings were deep, way down into the paint. Untreated paint does better with bird bombs. With other products, I`m not racing out to the car to wipe bird bombs off, I just don`t have to. Birds don`t care if its a showcar or not, so I quit using Zaino as an LSP. I still love their Z6 QD, and to me, that is responsible for 90% of the Zaino look I like.

Regarding the layering, I never saw any visual effects that indicated it layered. KSG would hide swirls as it layered, Zaino never hid a single swirl for me. I also did a mega layering test with Z2 and ZFX, I must have done 50 layers, nothing registered on my PTG (taking averages of several measurements).
 
I agree with the above comments. I think ZFX-Zaino is pretty tough as far as durability goes (it lasts a long time), but it doesn`t protect that much from bird droppings. I used OptiCoat on a car that sits outside often and it seems much less prone to etching than when I used Zaino.
 
Sorta-random thoughts from a guy who`s never used Zaino:

-It`s one of the few LSPs I can reliably identify
-It has a signature look that most people (who are discerning enough to notice/care) either like or don`t
-The lack of protection against etching makes me wonder why it`s so popular, but different people have different priorities
-AFAIK, nobody`s ever been able to measure "LSP layers" and that has been used as a categorical argument against layering LSPs; despite that, the products that I layer do build up so obviously that only a [jerk] or somebody with an agenda would deny that it`s happening
 
Accumulator said:
Sorta-random thoughts from a guy who`s never used Zaino:

-It`s one of the few LSPs I can reliably identify
-It has a signature look that most people (who are discerning enough to notice/care) either like or don`t
-The lack of protection against etching makes me wonder why it`s so popular, but different people have different priorities
-AFAIK, nobody`s ever been able to measure "LSP layers" and that has been used as a categorical argument against layering LSPs; despite that, the products that I layer do build up so obviously that only a [jerk] or somebody with an agenda would deny that it`s happening
Click to expand...

So tell me, all you car guys who live on the East Coast - no one has ever, since the 60`s - 70`s - ever took a drive down to New Jersey to see Sal Zaino and his shop back then and all his own cars that had multiple layers of the product on their vehicles ?? :)

He and his son I believe even went to many car shows with their zaino layered vehicles promoting their products... I believe they may still be doing this..

I am so glad then, that I met a couple of Zaino Reps way over here 3,000 miles away who had enough Zaino on their vehicles that you could really tell a difference..

And I was showing one of these Reps in the Pacific Northwest back in 2008 how to use a random orbital because he had never used one and wanted to see how my new Flex 3401VRG handled... :)

His personal car, a Toyota Solara in bright Red looked amazing and the paint was really deep - because of the zillion layers of Zaino on it..
He was a certified car-guy and totally dedicated to the product he was selling on the side from his full time job..

At that time I was only purchasing the awesome Leather Cleaner, the Leather Conditioner and the Glass Polish, but I always had the full inventory of their products for those that wanted it..

In case any of you guys want to know, here is Sal Zaino`s address --

Zaino
1985 Cedar Bridge Ave #2
Lakewood, NJ 08701

Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
Dan,
I was applying Zaino to Client`s vehicles over 20 years ago and thank goodness I learned all about "thin coats" and that is one of the many good things I took away from all those nights of 3 layers with catalyst per 24 hours, etc..

What I also did see with my own eyes on mostly the vehicles of the Independent Zaino Distributors` was definitely a layer of Zaino that looked beautiful because these guys were putting it on their cars all the time.. It did build up and one could tell the difference..

And of course I read all those guys saying that "after so many coats, the rest just falls off, etc., but I`m telling you, that must not be how Zaino works, because you can really tell there is some serious extra clear, glossy, coating going on there..

For that place in time there was nothing else out there that compared..

Sal Zaino was and is the Father of Sealants that went later into Coatings..

How all that got mixed into Duragloss, I know nothing about that part..
All I can tell you today is that the Zainostore.com website is alive and kicking..

I still use their awesome Leather Soft Cleaner, and their Leather Conditioner for those Clients that want the leather smell and great conditioning..
Their Glass Polish is really good for those water spotted glass sun roofs too and all the rest of the glass..
Dan F
Click to expand...


`Sal Zaino was and is the Father of Sealants that went later into Coatings`.. My conversations with Dr William Bailey,and his Brother Jerry would lead me to believe otherwise.FWIW,the Brothers Research Corporation are responsible for the development,and Manufacture of a substantial number of Detailing Product lines,which would surprise many people i`m sure.I was under the impression that,at least on this forum,it had been established as common knowledge that Sal Zaino doesn`t have,and never did have a lab,or manufacturing facility for Zaino Products.The address to a mail order distribution center was all that anyone was able to obtain.
 
slippy said:
`Sal Zaino was and is the Father of Sealants that went later into Coatings`.. My conversations with Dr William Bailey,and his Brother Jerry would lead me to believe otherwise.FWIW,the Brothers Research Corporation are responsible for the development,and Manufacture of a substantial number of Detailing Product lines,which would surprise many people i`m sure.I was under the impression that,at least on this forum,it had been established as common knowledge that Sal Zaino doesn`t have,and never did have a lab,or manufacturing facility for Zaino Products.The address to a mail order distribution center was all that anyone was able to obtain.
Click to expand...

Slippy --

OK, OK, I edited that post to read - "Sal Zaino was and is the first man I know of to promote and sell Sealants back when there were none to my knowledge.."

Never heard of Dr. William Bailey or his Brother Jerry Bailey, or the Brothers Research Corp., and how they are tied into Zaino.

Thanks for your information..
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
.... in bright Red looked amazing and the paint was really deep - because of the zillion layers of Zaino on it ...
Click to expand...

Zaino on red just works. Don`t know why, but it seem to work magic on red specifically.

Interestingly, in NJ, you can`t order Zaino directly from the website -- you have to get it though the PA distributor (Carl) by emailing or calling in your order (kind of a pain to not use the website, but Carl provides excellent service). I spoke to Sal a long time ago trying to get more details about the specific differences between Z2 and Z3, and he also told me why they don`t ship in NJ, but I can`t remember the reason now.
 
slippy said:
I was under the impression that,at least on this forum,it had been established as common knowledge that Sal Zaino doesn`t have,and never did have a lab,or manufacturing facility for Zaino Products.The address to a mail order distribution center was all that anyone was able to obtain.
Click to expand...

Yeah, once I was going to drive down to Zaino Headquarters and see if it looked like there was any laboratory or manufacturing done there and try and settle some of these forum questions...then I didn`t bother because I found out the address was a Mailboxes Etc. Although he "moved" after that and I think the address comes back (last time I checked) to an aftermarket parts manufacturer. Maybe that`s like using your friend`s mailing address.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top