ONR and Zaino

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peterp

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I have a car that is mostly a garage queen with many layers of Zaino. I`m very happy with the Zaino and usually just clay it and add a coat or two of Zaino as annual maintenance. I`ve recently started using ONR on other cars, and would like to use it on this car also.

My concern is that ONR "blue" leaves (I think) a bit of polymer coating and ONR "green" (wash & wax) leaves that polymer coating plus a carnauba coating.

My questions are:

1. Would the coatings from either version of ONR interfere with the bonding of additional Zaino coats?
2. Which version of ONR would be better for this car?
 
peterp said:
I have a car that is mostly a garage queen with many layers of Zaino. I`m very happy with the Zaino and usually just clay it and add a coat or two of Zaino as annual maintenance. I`ve recently started using ONR on other cars, and would like to use it on this car also.

My concern is that ONR "blue" leaves (I think) a bit of polymer coating and ONR "green" (wash & wax) leaves that polymer coating plus a carnauba coating.

My questions are:

1. Would the coatings from either version of ONR interfere with the bonding of additional Zaino coats?
2. Which version of ONR would be better for this car?
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If you are really concerned about the polymers left behind, perhaps another rinseless wash is in order. I`m not sure I believe in Zaino actually layering, but the polymers will interfere somewhat with it bonding. How much, who knows. That said, you owe it to yourself to check out some other products. Zaino was the cat`s meow in the late 90`s early 2ks, but nearly 20 years have gone by, there are much better performing products, especially in the protection department.
 
Dan said:
If you are really concerned about the polymers left behind, perhaps another rinseless wash is in order. I`m not sure I believe in Zaino actually layering, but the polymers will interfere somewhat with it bonding. How much, who knows. That said, you owe it to yourself to check out some other products. Zaino was the cat`s meow in the late 90`s early 2ks, but nearly 20 years have gone by, there are much better performing products, especially in the protection department.
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Thanks. I know Zaino is old school now, but Zaino on red just works, so I`m sticking with it on this car even though I use other products on other cars. Is there a specific rinseless that you can recommend that works well and doesn`t have a polymer? I think I will use that on this car and use ONR on everything else (I guess I`ll get the green ONR for everything else then, currently have the blue).
 
If you want a rinseless that leaves nothing behind N-914 is the only choice.

As Zaino is technically a synthetic sealant, I wouldn`t worry to much about messing it up. If you want a truly amazing glossy finish on red paint, check out Polish Angel Cosmic V2. I used Zaino for years, but Polish Angel blows it away.
 
Optimum states that the polymers in ONR (blue) are there for a couple reasons. One to encapsulate the dirt and two to act as a barrier between the wash and dry tool used. The wax version leaves wax behind. You won`t have any issues with the blue one.

As others stated McKee`s N914 leaves nothing behind.
 
peterp said:
No, but your great grandfather did! :) (<- poking fun at myself)
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Heh heh, that was a change from the usual "Accumulator`s soooo old!" quips!

Heh heh#2, my grandfather(s) witnessed the dawn of automobiles, were born way before there were cars. My great grandfathers never even saw a car!
 
The Guz said:
Optimum states that the polymers in ONR (blue) are there for a couple reasons. One to encapsulate the dirt and two to act as a barrier between the wash and dry tool used. The wax version leaves wax behind. You won`t have any issues with the blue one.
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Interesting feedback. The reason I feel like ONR leaves a coating on the paint is the same reason I`ve grown so fond of ONR after only a couple uses -- another car that is always garaged but driven once or twice a week used to get dirty/dusty very quickly even though it isn`t used much and is always well-waxed. It seems to stay clean much longer since I started using ONR, and I only have the blue ONR for now. It could be psychological, but I really feel like the car stays much cleaner much longer after an ONR wash.
 
peterp said:
Interesting feedback. The reason I feel like ONR leaves a coating on the paint is the same reason I`ve grown so fond of ONR after only a couple uses -- another car that is always garaged but driven once or twice a week used to get dirty/dusty very quickly even though it isn`t used much and is always well-waxed. It seems to stay clean much longer since I started using ONR, and I only have the blue ONR for now. It could be psychological, but I really feel like the car stays much cleaner much longer after an ONR wash.
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ONR will make otherwise squeaky paint slick. To me, there is something on the surface.
 
Dan said:
ONR will make otherwise squeaky paint slick. To me, there is something on the surface.
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Yeah, both ONR and IUDJ do definitely leave stuff behind. I`ve been using both for various household jobs and it doesn`t take long for that [whatever they leave behind] to build up to the point that things (that never did before) feel freshly LSPed and shine better than they had in years.

Wasn`t there another rinseless that doesn`t leave stuff behind? Thought I was on a thread about one just recently....didn`t think I`d have a use for the stuff but then decided I might after all. BF? WG? Eh, can`t quite recall...
 
If you`re concerned about what ONR leaves behind, you could just do a Z-6 wipedown after the ONR and before your reapplication of Z-2 or Z-5 or whatever you`re using. Or wipe it down with Duragloss FC&S and save yourself a lot of money. Speaking of Duragloss, I find their rinseless wash plays fine with Zaino...which of course it should, since IMO it`s "in the family". Anyway, that`s what I would use.
 
You clay the car every year? I`m wondering why you would feel that`s necessary given it`s a garage queen?

Also, I`d be concerned w marring the paint after claying and not doing a polishing step.
 
peterp said:
Interesting feedback. The reason I feel like ONR leaves a coating on the paint is the same reason I`ve grown so fond of ONR after only a couple uses -- another car that is always garaged but driven once or twice a week used to get dirty/dusty very quickly even though it isn`t used much and is always well-waxed. It seems to stay clean much longer since I started using ONR, and I only have the blue ONR for now. It could be psychological, but I really feel like the car stays much cleaner much longer after an ONR wash.
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Contact Yvan or Dann of Optimum as they will be able to give you a more technical response. I am going by what I heard on their podcast.

Whatever is left behind is so minimal that it is not going to harm anything.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
If you`re concerned about what ONR leaves behind, you could just do a Z-6 wipedown after the ONR and before your reapplication of Z-2 or Z-5 or whatever you`re using. Or wipe it down with Duragloss FC&S and save yourself a lot of money. Speaking of Duragloss, I find their rinseless wash plays fine with Zaino...which of course it should, since IMO it`s "in the family". Anyway, that`s what I would use.
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I wasn`t aware of the backstory on Duragloss versus Zaino, but searched and saw your thread on it. I saw there rinseless contains "AquaZ8" :) - that seems like a good solution (no pun intended) if I can find it in a smaller size than the gallon listed on Amazon. Or I may go with McKee`s given it leaves nothing and seems to be highly regarded.
 
dschribs said:
You clay the car every year? I`m wondering why you would feel that`s necessary given it`s a garage queen?

Also, I`d be concerned w marring the paint after claying and not doing a polishing step.
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Well, I clay when required, which you would think would be almost never. A few years ago, the surface was pretty rough even though I had a lot of Zaino on it. I couldn`t really explain the roughness because, although I do drive it, it spends 99% of the time in the garage. Since then, I think the problem was that in subsequent coats I had been using Zaino without the catalyst under the assumption that that the catalyst only affected dry time and, since I could let it set for a long time between coats, I didn`t bother with the catalyst. I eventually learned that (in my experience at least) Zaino layers aren`t that tough when the catalyst isn`t used so I think dust was settling into the non-catalyst Zaino. The clay bar took that roughness out and I have been using catalyst always ever since, so I haven`t had that situation where it gets rough anymore. So I probably don`t clay every year, but every once in a while.

As far as marring goes, I`ve never had any marring when I use Mother`s clay. Mothers seems to be idiot proof for clay -- I have had marring with other clay bars but not with Mothers. I think Mothers changed the formulation because Mothers clay I bought recently was much more prone to falling apart and drying out. I have a Mothers bar that is NOS from 10 years ago and that is idiot-proof as far as marring in my experience.
 
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