Ok ok - so what is the missing component from this formula????

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ChicagoRay

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This is all making me nutz. 4 billion products to choose from and i barely have a clue what they are for! Here's what I've got so far....

A <strong class='bbc'>2000 BMW sedan, SILVER [/b]in excellent condition, last waxed in October. It is a <strong class='bbc'>DAILY DRIVER[/b] and sees about 350miles a week on the road.

<strong class='bbc'>The goal:[/b] A deep, glossy, wet super nice shine that will protect and last a reasonable time (understand that may only be several months).

<strong class='bbc'>The current Plan:[/b]

1) wash with dawn to strip old wax

2) Use P21s Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser to prep the surface.

<span style='color: red'>3) ???????????? I believe in this step I want a "glaze" or "sealant" - this is what I'm not sure about. I believe it's a glaze - isn't this the step that will provide that super glossy wet shine look? What specific product do I want here?

4) Wax with P21s Concours Caranuba wax to seal in step 3 (is that right??)

5) Maintain with weekly or as needed washes with P21s Bodywork Shampoo - then re-do whole process when needed.

<span style='color: blue'>How does this plan look? What do I need in step 3 and am I missing anything else?

Thanks SO MUCH to those helping me out... I have no clue and don't want to waste my money, I really appreciate your assistance!!! :bow :xyxthumbs
 
your steps look good!

1. wash

2.compound if needed, if not skip to #3

3. glaze

4. wax

This should give you the deep look you are going for. There are some more things you can do, but for now start with this and as you feel more comfortable all of us at autopia can teach you some cool tricks on detailing the car.

hope this helps

NYD
 
#1- Dawn wash.



#2- Clay the paint to remove all of the paint contamination. A good product to use is Mouthers California Gold Clay bar system, this will make your paint smooth.



#3- If you have no swirlmarks P21S paint cleaner will work, but if you do have swirls you will need a good Swirlmark remover like 3M's Perfect-it Swirlmark Remover.



#4- Dawn wash to remove all the oil from the polishes.



#5- A glaze can be one of two things, a fine polish or a protectant. A paint sealant is a protectant like wax but much stronger and durable than a natural wax like P21S. For your daily driver i would use a good paint sealant like the Zaino or Klasse, do a search on Zaino and Klasse to learn how to use them.



Their is no need to wax if you use one of the sealant products.



Maintain using a QD spray for Zaino use Z6 for QD and Z7 for washing. For Klasse use Snous for QD and any good automotive wash like P21S.
 
Is the glazing step between the P21S Gloss Enhacing Paint Cleanser and the P21S Carnauba wax really necessary? Some people tell me that yes, it will add depth, shine and wetness to your paint. And others tell me that the P21S GEPC (which contains plenty of oils and fillers) does plenty in that department and I will not need to glaze.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Andre' [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>#1- Dawn wash.

#2- Clay the paint to remove all of the paint contamination. A good product to use is Mouthers California Gold Clay bar system, this will make your paint smooth.

#3- If you have no swirlmarks P21S paint cleaner will work, but if you do have swirls you will need a good Swirlmark remover like 3M's Perfect-it Swirlmark Remover.

#4- Dawn wash to remove all the oil from the polishes.

#5- A glaze can be one of two things, a fine polish or a protectant. A paint sealant is a protectant like wax but much stronger and durable than a natural wax like P21S. For your daily driver i would use a good paint sealant like the Zaino or Klasse, do a search on Zaino and Klasse to learn how to use them.

Their is no need to wax if you use one of the sealant products.

Maintain using a QD spray for Zaino use Z6 for QD and Z7 for washing. For Klasse use Snous for QD and any good automotive wash like P21S. [/b]</blockquote>
No need to dawn wash after step 3 if you plan on going the carnuba P21s route. Just wasted time imo.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Andre' [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>If you use the P21S GEPC their is no need to use a glaze before waxing with P21S.:) [/b]</blockquote>
Andre, thanks for the info!
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by AlBoston [/i]
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No need to dawn wash after step 3 if you plan on going the carnuba P21s route. Just wasted time imo. [/b]</blockquote>
I agree.:up
 
Ok so I shold basically do my steps as above but not use a glaze? That may be convenient because I haven't bought any yet!



Would it look BETTER if I used a glaze? If it makes a noticible difference I don't mind the extra work.



Finally, how should I apply the polish and wax? By hand or by Porter Cable?
 
trkmedic69, you are over at bimmerfest.com too aren't you? P21S is popular over there.

If you decide to go with P21S, why don't you just try the GEPC followed by the carnauba and see how you like it? I've heard that slapping a coat of Meguiar's polish on top of the GEPC before the carnauba wax might make some difference in the depth and wetness of the shine. But at the same time, I've heard from others that GEPC alone shines better than Meguiar's #7.

Over the weekend, I applied GEPC + Meguiar's Hand Polish + Meguiar's #26. By the time I was finished, it was too dark to really assess the results. The next day when looking at the car under the sun, I was absolutely floored by the results. The car looks extremely wet with a very deep shine.

When detailing the car, the glaze step SEEMED to deepen the shine, but I can't be sure. It could very well have been psychological. What I SHOULD have done was to glaze only half my car after the GEPC to see if any difference in shine could be detected upon completion. One thing is for sure......Glazing is a <strong class='bbc'> MAJOR PAIN IN THE REAR [/b] compared to using products like the GEPC and PPCL and then going directly to a user-friendly wax. Unless I find a way to make the glaze step a bit easier, I'm not sure if it is something I want to do every 3 months, because that step really took a lot out of me. I guess I'm just spoiled after countless sessions of applying products like PPCL, AIO, zaino, etc. However, GEPC and Meguiar's #26 were extremely easy to use.
 
I did a varation on this plan over the weekend. My wife's new car is silver, and I:



1. Clayed

2. P21s GEPC

3. One Grand Blitz

4. One Grand Show-Off (one day later)



I must say that I am EXTREMELY happy with the results. I have pictures, which I will post soon (they are too big and need to be resized). Carnuba and silver can go well together. I thought you'd have to use a polymer to get any kind of shine, but the P21S and Blitz combo make the car look pretty darn GOOD.



I don't know whether I'll continue to use this system. I basically used it because I wanted to experiment. While I doubt that a polymer sealant will give a much better shine, it will clearly provide better protection, so that's why I still haven't decided.



Tony- the Meguiar's glaze was harder to use than P21S GEPC? Fascinating. I assumed they'd be comparable. Boy, you are right about the P21S- It's really easy. I thought it would be very difficult to work in, but it went on with no problem at all.
 
I hate working with glazes - it's like pulling taffy. The P21S GEPC is a dream - wipe on, wipe off. Glad everyone is having good luck with it - the product floored us when we first tested it, and we haven't looked back ever since...
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Dude [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Tony- the Meguiar's glaze was harder to use than P21S GEPC? Fascinating. I assumed they'd be comparable. Boy, you are right about the P21S- It's really easy. I thought it would be very difficult to work in, but it went on with no problem at all. [/b]</blockquote>
Dude, yes it was much harder to work with than P21S and I didn't enjoy working with it at all. If I had to make a guess, I probably didn't apply it thinly enough. This doesn't bode well for me as I've got about 48 ounces of Glaze products at home. In any event, the GEPC was about as easy to work with as PPCL (which is extremely easy to use). I can't wait to try out the carnauba wax. From testing it out on a few places at home, it reminds me of Souveran.
 
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