OK, i have had it with DACP, i need something else!

roadmaster_Tx said:
Hitemp Extreme Cut is supposed to be able to take out 600grit sand marks...
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I kinda wonder about their claims in that regard...maybe with the right *wool* pad or something, but it just didn't seem all *that* aggressive to me and I was mixing it with that 1Z Ultra, which is pretty gritty stuff in its own right. 1z stuff is nice to mix HT EC with, talk about a long work time! The wax/filler content might be an issue for some people though...
 
Coupe said:
Well it takes FOREVER to break down and even when you do break it down its still so hard to remove. That and you have to clean the pad after EVERY panel and sometimes after EVERY 12"x12" section. Cleaning the pad sucks to, its the equivalent of trying to get gum out of carpet.
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Sounds like you are using way too much. If you use less, you will find out it breaks down more quickly and wipes off very easily. It is my go to heavy polish on softer paints and I have never had any of the difficulties you have described. I get a little dusting but way less than the SSRs, other than that, I find DACP a piece of cake to use.



I use it with the PC and Cyclo and I have seen Mike Phillips of Meguiars use it with a rotary and with all three machines, DACP has been easy to use. Not sure why some have so many problems with it and others don't. :nixweiss
 
no offense but I agree with Scottwax. User error has a lot to do with liking a product. I didnt like DACP the first time I used it because I used to much and wasnt patient with it. Since I got used to it I love it except for dusting.
 
I find that DACP is hard to use when the car is warm (not even hot)

On a car that is completely cool and nowhere near the sun, its easy to use.



Are you detailing outside or inside??
 
I always detail inside my garage, ive never done a car outside.

Im still gonna keep it in my arsenol however, if i have difficulty useing it its no biggie becuase i know the stuff works.

I guess im ready to try something new. So what would be best?



My new polish steps would be:

HTEC

OP

Then what?



Or do you guys mean actually mix HETC and OP together? Like half and half on the pad? Or half and half in the bottle?

Im used to doing 3 step polishing, ya know the second polish removes the hase from the first polish and then the next polish removes the slight haze from the second polish and the last polish.....well i dunno, it just looks great after the last polish.



I wanna ditch meguires all together for a little while and learn knew polishes, but i need these polishes to be able to give me that PERFECT finish that 83, 80 and 82 gives me.
 
DACP sucks if:



You use too much



You are on speed 6



If you mist the pad with water/QD



If you work it too long



If you dont work it long enough





If you are making the X on the pad after it is primed, that is way way too much DACP. Put like a dime sized drop on.



Believe it or not, if its worked correctly, right amount used, it wipes off very easily.



With that said, there are easier polishes to use.
 
Ive narrowed down what i wanna try.

Optimum or Menzerna.

Decideing what is gonna be better for me is gonna be tough.
 
Coupe said:
My new polish steps would be:

HTEC

OP

Then what?



Or do you guys mean actually mix HETC and OP together? Like half and half on the pad? Or half and half in the bottle?
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Yeah, you mix the two products together. Adding the OP (or in my case 1Z) to the HT EC increases its working time, which is apparently insufficient when HT EC is used by itself.



I just put both products on the pad (sorta two thin "X"s or little blobs of both) and it seemed to work fine.



As for a follow-up product, I'd let the hardness of the paint determine that; IMO it'll vary though you could probably use one of the new Menzerna/BF polishes on most anything. In my case I followed HT EC+1Z Ultra with 1Z PP (this was on a '00 Blazer, partially repainted).



You might want to try *both* the OP and the Menzerna (their finishing polish for scratch-resistant clear); mix the OP wit the HT EC and use the Menzerna to finish up.



See what others with more experience think...I'm just getting acquainted with the HT EC myself (but it sure seems like great stuff so far).
 
Rafa said:
I've heard good things about Extreme Cut and Optimun Polish combo for us PC users. Just watch out because is a powerfull abbrasive. Maybe someone else can elaborate more on it's use or experience.
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I'm fairly certain that HTEC isn't usable by PC. Possibly with 4" pads, but the machine just doesn't generate enough heat otherwise.
 
JBM said:
DACP sucks if:



You use too much



You are on speed 6



If you mist the pad with water/QD



If you work it too long



If you dont work it long enough





If you are making the X on the pad after it is primed, that is way way too much DACP. Put like a dime sized drop on.



Believe it or not, if its worked correctly, right amount used, it wipes off very easily.



With that said, there are easier polishes to use.
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maybe I just used mine on a better day :nixweiss



used the X method

dab X over the panel

spread out on 5

worked on 6 until just about "gone"

wiped off with MF

only issue I had was dusting "debris" (but I was using 83 & 80)
 
I would say wait for the OHC reformulated stuff to come out, because I love the OP polish!



i would also say get the menzerna line because that is my favorite line up, but more expensive....can get a gallon of others for the cost of a quart of menzerna
 
Im thinking im gonna go with OCP, OC and OHC and pick up some 4" pads.



Im just scared i wont get the same results as i can with megs 80 series.
 
Coupe said:
Im thinking im gonna go with OCP, OC and OHC and pick up some 4" pads.



Im just scared i wont get the same results as i can with megs 80 series.
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You can always finish with #80. However, the new formula of OP finishes down very wet and glossy.
 
Optimum will generate more working time to achieve the results you are looking for but you will use perhaps less product and also have less mess.



There is a learning curve to using the Optimum line. If you do not work the products long enough they will appear to be smeary, as if leaving behind swirls. This is not a problem though as the residue wipes easily off with some QD....OR....just continue working the product longer. You will find that you can work and work Optimum until the cows come home.



Menzerna makes some nice products but they do dust up also. The FP's don't as much as the IP and PG and the FP does finish out very nice.



You'll find that Optimum Polish will finish out a hair under FPII. I have been using the new Optimum beta cleaner/wax after Optimum Polish and I must say I am very well pleased with the results. It's an awesome 2 step procedure but not as fast as using OCW.



If you like the Hi-Temp line then you must try Light Cut and Fine Finsh. The Light Cut is a very nice cleaner with light cutting properties, mild polishing. It contains no wax or fillers.



Anthony
 
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