Oil Bible

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huggybear

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I searched the forum so this wouldn't be a repeat thread and i couldn't find anything so...



i was wondering if anyone had read this book



http://www.motor-oil-bible.com/index-test9.html



Its called the Motor Oil Bible.



I'll probably buy it later tonight, but was wondering if any one had any bad opinions about it? It sounds like a really good book..





Thanks!
 
I have done a lot of study on motor oils over the last few years. During the course of my studies I had occasion to read the Motor Oil Bible. In my opinion it serves as a good reference base for those interested in learning about maximizing engine lubrication. On the downside, the author of the book is an Amsoil dealer, and while his message is subtle, I came away with the feeling that it was written as advertising buzz for Amsoil products. (Not that there is anything wrong with Amsoil products.)



I read the book for free and felt good about it. I'm not sure I would have felt as good had I paid for it though. I will sum up the main tenants of the book for you should you decide not to purchase it.



1. Use a very high quality air filter and ensure that it is properly sealed in the air intake. The author recommended the Amsoil Foam Air Filter. My personal feeling is that you should use oil analysis to guage what filter is right for your application. I have shown better analysis results when using an OEM Toyota Filter than when using foam filters.



2. Use synthetic oil as opposed to dyno oil, and use oil analysis as a guide as to when to change it. I agree; in my opinion synthetic oils are superior to dyno oils in most applications. I currently use Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5w30.



3. Use high quality synthetic oil filters such as Amsoil's, Mobil 1's, etc. For the ultimate in protection add a bypass oil filtration system. Through oil analysis I have found Mobil 1 filters to be very good for my application.



You may have already stumbled upon this page in your research, but if you haven't, you may want to check it out.



http://yarchive.net/car/oil_facts1_2.html



:rolleyes:
 
Why are Honda and Ford demanding 5W-20 for their vehicles? Why does Honda say it's okay to use 5W-30 but to change back at the next oil change?



Why don't Castrol or Mobil make a full synthetic 5W-20?



What's going on here?
 
icvci said:
Why are Honda and Ford demanding 5W-20 for their vehicles? Why does Honda say it's okay to use 5W-30 but to change back at the next oil change?



Why don't Castrol or Mobil make a full synthetic 5W-20?



What's going on here?
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Your "only" oil question is 4 questions.:D

IMO, the reason manufacturers specify lighter weight oils is to improve mileage. With todays closer tolerance engines, the lighter weight oils seem to do an excellent job. There probably isn't much need for heavier viscosity in street engines.

Honda evidently doesn't fel that one change interval with 5W-30 is going to cause any problem. Remember, Honda engines quite often run well over 250,000 miles, so one change interval isn't much in their overall life span

Castrol and Mobil most likely got caught by the manufacturers change in recommended weights and have not yet released their 5W-20 versions.



Charles:wavey
 
I can't find the link to it, but a guy on the web did his own filter study. The offshoot is that there are only a few makers, and the best seem to be Champion Labs and Pure, both of whom make many of the other brands. For instance, Mobil filters are made by Pure. They are the filter just under Pure's top of the line Pure One. The one thing this guy reiterated over and over: Don't let your car even hear you speak the word FRAM, little on bring one close enough for it to see.

As for Mobil One motor oil, how about a Chevy Astro V6 that after 230,000 miles met compression standard. Started and ran like new, but the rest of the vehicle was on the death bed. I'm sure the other syns are good too. My new Toyota specifies 5W-30, and this is available in most brands.
 
mobil 1 will be coming out with a 0w20 fully synthetic oil that will be ford and honda approved for the 5w20 applications. For right now, just use castrol gtx 5w20, as it is 70% group 3 base oil instead of the usual group 2. Plus it has a lot of moly, which is an antiwear additive like zinc and phosphorus.
 
I believe that Mobil is releasing a 0W-20 oil that is certified for all new Fords and Hondas that require 5W-20. It should be out soon, from what I hear.
 
WoW thanks for all the great replies. I like the motor oil bible and yes the guy is an amsoil dealer hehe.



ill be installing a bypass oil filtration system and also getting my oil analyzed before and after to see the dif.



im currently using valvoline 10w-30 SynPower i heard/read it was a bit better than Mobile 1



(insert a thousand flaming threads here)
 
Calestus said:
WoW thanks for all the great replies. I like the motor oil bible and yes the guy is an amsoil dealer hehe.



ill be installing a bypass oil filtration system and also getting my oil analyzed before and after to see the dif.



im currently using valvoline 10w-30 SynPower i heard/read it was a bit better than Mobile 1



(insert a thousand flaming threads here)
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I hope you don't receive flaming threads. I think arguing the merits of one oil over another is somewhat futal. Engine types vary more than vehicle types do. Even if one were to examine two like vehicles with the same size engine they wouldn't neccesarily get an apples to apples comparison of engine lubrication needs. A Honda Civic with 150,000 miles on it driven in Phoneix would likely benefit from diffferent types of oil than a Honda Civic with 50,000 miles on it driven in Minneapolis would for example.



I am a firm believer in using oil analysis as a guide as to what types of oils to use. Valvoline 10w-30 SynPower may very well be better for your application than the Mobil 1 SuperSyn I use would be.



BTW - What type of bypass filtration system are you planning to install? Keep us posted.
 
I read that one of the reasons for 5W20 is to reduce emissions in North America. That's why for the same engine, recommended oil viscosities are different in different countries



Recommended website for info about oil:

Bobistheoilguy:

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For what it is worth... I have had a few engines apart from Camaros to Grand AM's, from what I saw there is a definite difference in between a motor that uses synthetic and one that uses regular oil. The synthetic ones were much cleaner It was hard to tell the difference between the motors that had the synthetic oil in them.... they all looked as clean as the other synthetics…
 
fastidious_r i am planning on installing an amsoil BMK13 unless i find any reaserch or reviews that tell me otherwise, but am waiting until my oil gets a little more use.



BTW do any of you guys use extended drain oils? My gals family changes thier oil every 10-15K with mobile 1. I dont know any one that has done amsoil's 35K thing.

i think im to paranoid to try it though lol.

i might try it but only if i ponie up the dough to get my oil lab tested every 3-5K; but am weary of it cause i am subject to marketing hype ;)
 
Calestus... I know of a few people who use extended drain intervals (8k-12k miles). I have never met anyone (who cares about his/her vehicle) who has gone more than 12k miles without an oil change though. I'm not saying that there aren't instances where longer than 12k mile change intervals are bad however.



From my research, it seems that North Americans by majority abide by the 3k or 3 months rule propogated by Jiffy Lubes, etc., and contrastingly, it seems that Eurpoeans by majority tend to use longer change intervals. This said, there doesn't appear to be higher rates of reported premature engine failures in Eurpoean countries where oil change intervals are often extended. Of course there is a higher percentage of synthetic oil users in Europe. These findings have lead me to believe that we probably can extend our drain intervals beyond the 3k/3 months guideline here in the states without any negative affect to our vehicles in most cases. As aforementioned, I highly recommend oil analysis as a guide as to when to change engine oil. This said, it isn't always feasible or cost effective to have analysis done on every cycle of oil though. I think a good practice would be to have enough testing done (2-3 times) until you can establish a benchmark for your engine. Then use common sense based on weather and driving styles, etc. Retesting every 50k-75k miles would probably be prudent to establish new benchmarks as your engine ages.



In terms of bypass filters... I think the Amsoil options are good ones but I would thoroughly examine all the other competing products out there before making a final decision. For me the simpler the design the better.
 
fastidious_r, I can tell you that the recommended intervals for all new Civics is 5000 for heavy use and 10,000 for normal use. I can't bring myself to go a full 10,000 (but changing oil once a year would be nice).



For the Amsoil, I thought that they recommended 35k or once a year. I could be confused though. They do say to change the filter inbetween the oil changes though, which from what I understand is the real weak link.
 
AkronSI... I don't own a Honda but I have been told that they recently extended their recommended drain intervals as well as changed their recommended oil viscosity to 5w20 on some vehicles. I may be wrong here, but I think some of the vehicles that they have amended oil change guidelines on have engines that have been in production for a few years now. Meaning a Honda sold new today with a 10k miles 5w20 recommendation has the same basic engine as a Honda sold new a few years ago had with 5k miles 5w30 recommendations. If my thinking on this is true, then it goes to show that there is some wiggle room within many recommended oil change guidelines.



In terms of Amsoil... I think they say one can go 25k miles when using certain types of their oils with a filter change once around 12k-13k miles. I have never gone this far on an oil change. Of course I don't use Amsoil either. I think in the right circumstances (perhaps 18 wheelers traveling freeways) the 25k miles interval could be appropriate. For most passenger cars I think it seems a bit long though. Just my opinion.
 
I don't have the owners manual in front of me but, I believe my wife's 2003 CR-V calls for filter changes every 10,000 miles and oil changes at 5,000 miles.
 
Calestus, I change my oil at 12500 miles on all 3 of my cars. I am an AMSOIL user/Dealer and have had access to the same information/test the "oilguy " has. Synthetics (Mobil1, AMSOIL etc)

have all been proven to provide much better protection than dino oil. I run AC/Delco filters and change them at 6000 miles. I take very good care of my cars, from detailing them regularly to putting the best oil I can in them. Thanks for listening.......
 
People have ocassionally mentioned to perform oil analysis to determine when to change the oil.



How useful are they? I figure for those of us that use dyno oil, it costs about $15/oil change for a quality filter and oil and the kits seem to run the same amount. Doesn't seem worth it other than it saves some time and reduces oil pollution.



How often do you perform an oil analysis? Usually just when the reccomended oil change is due right, so why just not change it at that point instead of waiting a few weeks longer?



I realize for synthetic oil users it costs a lot more for an oil change, so there is a benefit, but how many times do you have to keep from doing an oil change to make the anaslysis worth it?
 
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