Jesstzn
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A question came up in another thread about waxing/sealing OEM paint and how soon is it safe to do so.
Common answer is "As soon as you take delivery" because it is already cured.
The reason I am posting this is as most you know I like justification. Well I asked for justification on these statements.
Posters comments are in black and the questioned comments are in blue.
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Evidently, paint from the factory is baked on. So you can just about wax/polish right away! However, when you get re-painting at an auto body
shop they use a different procedure and that's when you should wait 90 days or so to wax.
6 months minimum from build date. Right you are paint dries in 45 minutes from beign shot.
HOWEVER the clearcoat takes approximately 3-6 month depending where thr car is shipped to cold to hot weather .
Even though its baked at 165 it still takes time.to fully cure.
Evidently, paint from the factory is baked on. So you can just about wax/polish right away! However, when you get re-painting at an auto body
shop they use a different procedure and that's when you should wait 90 days or so
Wrong. You don't wax a new paint job.factory or repaint.
If you use a good enough sealer you can and will cause solvent pop.
Let me tell you something about detailing forums.
Most are noobs and most never painted.
You must understand all aspects of paint.in order to fully know how to perfect.
For example I can't tell you how many seasoned detailers I've proved wrong over the years such as saying you can't paint perfect with a single action rotary.
Or chemical x is better than chemical y.
Or whatever it may be.
Fact is they don't deal with the makers.so they don't know it all.
All factory paint is cured long before you get it. Wax/polish right away.
Wrong.sorry don't get mad but definitely wrong.
This is from the makers themselves.
Don't believe I know you never do.but its not fully cured from the factory.
This is from the makers themselves.
i'll call you on this one .... Show me .. In writing , and not some Googled hearsay . I'll believe you when things are substantiated.. Most times they aren't.
Hear say?nope sorry.its what I'm payed to do.
That's the perks of working in an automotive factory and working direct with DuPont,who BTW will cease to exist as their entire paint coating division was bought out for close to 5 billion.
You'll have a hard time finding that on any detailing forum.
But a quick search will yield the Carlyle group bought em out and the DuPont paint name will no longer exist.
You might still hear names like IMRON or Chromax(maybe theyre not süre yet)and a few other names but DuPont is gone.we are currently using the last of their supplies.they estimated 6 month left for us.
As far as PPG we use them also depending on the color itself.
Some colors look better in PPG than DuPont and vice versa.
Jeff Gordon is switching the car scheme as no more DuPont now it will be AXALTA.
That will be the new version of DuPont.
Your welcome to Google.
I can have Russ our AXALTA factory rep write something out for you if it will ease your mind.
Frankly I don't care if you believe me.
We have this little tool you take that measures depth in paint.
The instant were done baking twice at 165 we take a depth measurement.
For example we can get 6.5 to 7.0 within 2 weeks before delivering it can be in the 5.5 to 5.9
3 months later your right at 5.2/3
So I ain't no chemical scientists but everyone in the paint industry will see that as the paint curing.you tell me either way I'm not going to argue with you about something I actually do as a profession.
I guess my question is "Has anyone seen actual documentation from the car or paint manufacturer saying OEM paint needs cure time and if so how much. "
I am sure that if cure time was needed the manual would say don't wax for XXX days and the dealers would be instructed not to wax/seal new cars.
Maybe Ron Ketcham can chime in here with links to documentation, or comments.
Common answer is "As soon as you take delivery" because it is already cured.
The reason I am posting this is as most you know I like justification. Well I asked for justification on these statements.
Posters comments are in black and the questioned comments are in blue.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evidently, paint from the factory is baked on. So you can just about wax/polish right away! However, when you get re-painting at an auto body
shop they use a different procedure and that's when you should wait 90 days or so to wax.
6 months minimum from build date. Right you are paint dries in 45 minutes from beign shot.
HOWEVER the clearcoat takes approximately 3-6 month depending where thr car is shipped to cold to hot weather .
Even though its baked at 165 it still takes time.to fully cure.
Evidently, paint from the factory is baked on. So you can just about wax/polish right away! However, when you get re-painting at an auto body
shop they use a different procedure and that's when you should wait 90 days or so
Wrong. You don't wax a new paint job.factory or repaint.
If you use a good enough sealer you can and will cause solvent pop.
Let me tell you something about detailing forums.
Most are noobs and most never painted.
You must understand all aspects of paint.in order to fully know how to perfect.
For example I can't tell you how many seasoned detailers I've proved wrong over the years such as saying you can't paint perfect with a single action rotary.
Or chemical x is better than chemical y.
Or whatever it may be.
Fact is they don't deal with the makers.so they don't know it all.
All factory paint is cured long before you get it. Wax/polish right away.
Wrong.sorry don't get mad but definitely wrong.
This is from the makers themselves.
Don't believe I know you never do.but its not fully cured from the factory.
This is from the makers themselves.
i'll call you on this one .... Show me .. In writing , and not some Googled hearsay . I'll believe you when things are substantiated.. Most times they aren't.
Hear say?nope sorry.its what I'm payed to do.
That's the perks of working in an automotive factory and working direct with DuPont,who BTW will cease to exist as their entire paint coating division was bought out for close to 5 billion.
You'll have a hard time finding that on any detailing forum.
But a quick search will yield the Carlyle group bought em out and the DuPont paint name will no longer exist.
You might still hear names like IMRON or Chromax(maybe theyre not süre yet)and a few other names but DuPont is gone.we are currently using the last of their supplies.they estimated 6 month left for us.
As far as PPG we use them also depending on the color itself.
Some colors look better in PPG than DuPont and vice versa.
Jeff Gordon is switching the car scheme as no more DuPont now it will be AXALTA.
That will be the new version of DuPont.
Your welcome to Google.
I can have Russ our AXALTA factory rep write something out for you if it will ease your mind.
Frankly I don't care if you believe me.
We have this little tool you take that measures depth in paint.
The instant were done baking twice at 165 we take a depth measurement.
For example we can get 6.5 to 7.0 within 2 weeks before delivering it can be in the 5.5 to 5.9
3 months later your right at 5.2/3
So I ain't no chemical scientists but everyone in the paint industry will see that as the paint curing.you tell me either way I'm not going to argue with you about something I actually do as a profession.
I guess my question is "Has anyone seen actual documentation from the car or paint manufacturer saying OEM paint needs cure time and if so how much. "
I am sure that if cure time was needed the manual would say don't wax for XXX days and the dealers would be instructed not to wax/seal new cars.
Maybe Ron Ketcham can chime in here with links to documentation, or comments.
And the guy you're :argue with....uhm....well, I think I'd just do the "step back from the keyboard" thing before I got caught up in it 
