NXT doesn't spread

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wizardofahs

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Am I the only one having this problem? I did a search but all the NXT threads are just reviews.



This is the 2nd time I've used it (two different cars) and am just applying it with a foam applicator by hand. I've noticed that it really doesn't spread at all. You put some on the applicator, put the applicator on the panel, and then relaly have to work to get the product to migrate from the initial spot to the rest of the area you are working on. It's like trying to spread glue over the surface of your car.



Other products (thiner liquids like klasse and Zaino) don't have this problem, they go on and get a nice even coat. You don't have to work it in.



I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing wrong or what. The only factor I could think of was the temperature. Both times the bottle was at room temperature, but the garage was a little cold. Not freezing or anything, just chilly.



This really makes it hard to get a nice even coat. Some areas have very little product, and others have so much that I have to work extra hard to buff it off, possibly scratching the clearcoat.



Anyone else expierence this? NXT looks nice and all, but I can get those results with a product that goes on easy.
 
Do you do anything like wet the pad or spray som QD on it?



I think it's also possible that I'm trying to use too little product. If i glob it on heavy everywhere then I can get fairly decent covereage... it still doesn't spread much, but the extra product makes up for that.
 
i did not use anything to wet the pad. did you use the applicator that came with it? i did not, i just used a regular yellow foam applicator. also i dont think i used alot of product, i tried to use a little as well.



how did you prep the surface of your car before you used it?
 
Could be the temperature. I have used NXT both by hand and PC (:xyxthumbs) no problem. My garage is heated so that may have aided in the hand application. After applying with PC I will never again use hand application for any sealant (UPP and EX also applied best with PC) except Zaino. Thinner and even coats, no residue (NXT), easier buffing off (hand). :wavey
 
Well I just buffed off the coat I put on, and it really didn't add anything to the finish, but boy did it take something away. I preped using rotary + DACP, PC + AIO, 3x SG, 2x P21S, 1 NXT. The same problem I had with my car I did DACP + PC, AIO + PC, 3x SG then the NXT.



The finish doesn't look any different color or shine wise, but there was so much residue left over. I would wipe once and some of it would come off, but it would leave little patches of product that QD wouldn't even get off. I had to put some pressure into it and really rub... not what I want to be doing with my final product. Maybe it is a little too cold. (weather.com says 41 right now)



I do a lot of details in this kind of weather... so if that's the case I'm going to set this stuff on the shelf with the other retired products. I might give it another shot in the summer when things warm up.



Now to see if I can refinish the finish with another round of p21s...
 
Dr. Jones said:
Am I the only one having this problem? I did a search but all the NXT threads are just reviews.



This is the 2nd time I've used it (two different cars) and am just applying it with a foam applicator by hand. I've noticed that it really doesn't spread at all.
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At all? I know I've spread it on over a hundred cars so far...



You put some on the applicator, put the applicator on the panel, and then really have to work to get the product to migrate from the initial spot to the rest of the area you are working on. It's like trying to spread glue over the surface of your car.
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Apply some to your dry applicator to moisten it, then apply some to the finish to spread. Works for me.



Other products (thinner liquids like Klasse and Zaino) don't have this problem, they go on and get a nice even coat. You don't have to work it in.
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The above two products are dramatically thinner and do spread out much easier.



I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing wrong or what. The only factor I could think of was the temperature. Both times the bottle was at room temperature, but the garage was a little cold. Not freezing or anything, just chilly.
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I have read numerous post of people have a little difficulty when the temperatures are cold. Down here in SoCal, it's hard to duplicate that. All Meguiar’s products should be used in temperatures of at least 50 degrees or higher. So cold temperature could be a factor.







This really makes it hard to get a nice even coat. Some areas have very little product, and others have so much that I have to work extra hard to buff it off, possibly scratching the clearcoat.
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Are you using a foam applicator pad? So far, your experience doesn't sound like any experience I have heard of to date. Just yesterday, at a clinic here at Meguiar's, there was one girl that attended. I had her both apply and remove the NXT.



All I can say is at least a half a dozen guys watched as she demonstrated how easy it was.



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Notice the coats and sweaters? It was raining and cold out here in Irvine yesterday, (Saturday, February 22nd, 2004), I don't know the temperature, but it was cold. Product still spread and wiped off easily.



NXT will not scratch your clear coat. If you scratch your clear coat while using NXT, it's likely your technique, or your removal material. All Meguiar’s products should be used in temperatures of at least 50 degrees or higher. So cold temperature could be a factor.



Anyone else experience this? NXT looks nice and all, but I can get those results with a product that goes on easy.
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Feel free to give me a call if you would like to discuss further at 1-800-854-8073 ext. 189, or PM me and I'll give you my home phone number.



Mike
 
I am using a foam applicator pad and do get the pad fairly moist with product before starting. One thing that is a little wierd is that the first panel or two that I did both times, seemed to go on well. It was after that that it started becoming a little difficult.



I think it might be the temperature because right when the product hits the paint, it kind of sticks, then moving the applicator over that read kind of pushes it a little away each time.



It is kind of hard to describe so maybe I can get some pics that will help.
 
Too cold and to much product. I did my car today 38 degrees, put it on a drop at a time spread on very thin , and put it on the whole car before wiping off. I used a mf towel , car came out perfect.
 
Dr. Jones said:


I preped using rotary + DACP, PC + AIO, 3x SG, 2x P21S, 1 NXT. The same problem I had with my car I did DACP + PC, AIO + PC, 3x SG then the NXT.



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Is it safe to assume that this prep you outlined was done over several days? Not all today? When was your last coat of SG applied? What was the time separation between coats of SG? Temperature during this period?

I am sure everyone can see where my line of inquiry is going. :D
 
Dr. Jones:



I had the same problems with spreading. I definately had to use more 'force' that I would've liked to. In my case, the bottle was room temp (70* F) and the car was outside in colder weather (38*). Mike said once it warms up it gets much easier to use.



BTW: The car was clayed, polished, AIO/SG x 2 2 months before I did the NXT coat. I wash it every week and drive about 30 miles total per week.



All in all, I'd have to say it's definately the temperature.
 
One thing I found with NXT products....SHAKE WELL! Especially when the temp is cool/cold. The spray wax seems to separate when it hasn't been used for a while.



Kansas City just got some decent temps and I washed the car then was going to use the Spray Wax NXT. Forgot to shake it and definitely saw the heavier liquid on the applicator. After shaking for a minute or so, the Spray worked just fine.
 
I got pretty bad streaking on the hood of the BMW I did yesterday. It was about 45-50 degrees I'd say. It came off pretty easily on the rest of the car, but the hood just streaked like mad. I went over it with FD a couple of times and it still wasn't perfect. It looked pretty good, with the exception that one could spend the whole time removing dust after application.
 
I actually prefer NXT's thickness because it is easier to control the amount that you put on the applicator which equates to faster application times. With Z and SG, you have to slow down, as to not POUR it all over the applicator.



Having said that, I found NXT to leave white powdery residues, on the lines of GC but not as bad; I thought it was pollen or dust on my white car from being outside, but I just did my mom's black car and it left white dust all over.
 
One thing for sure, this is some good feedback which I will try to summarize for R&D.



I like to do my best to help where I can and it's hard to accept that there is only so much that can be done. If I can help however, let me know.



Mike
 
I found that the streaking and dust really come from using too much product. I had that on my first coat, but I was more careful with my second and didn't have any problems.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Well I just buffed off the coat I put on, and it really didn't add anything to the finish, but boy did it take something away. I preped using rotary + DACP, PC + AIO, 3x SG, 2x P21S, 1 NXT. The same problem I had with my car I did DACP + PC, AIO + PC, 3x SG then the NXT.

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So let me get this straight... You ALREADY have one layer of AIO, 3 layers of SG, 2 layers of oily carnauba wax, and then you put NXT over it, which has been shown to have cleaning action. With all that gunk around, no wonder you have problems.

Try it again with nothing underneath, nothing.
 
Simply sounds like cool temperatures and too much product. I've done over 20 vehicles with my first bottle of NXT and still have at least 1/3rd of a bottle left.
 
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