Not happy with my Optimum Poliseal...

Macruz19 said:
Dang......I hope it's not a waste of $25. I'll be getting mine shortly, but this will go on top of my Zaino and my Z-CS to see if I get a different more wet look on my car. If Opti-Seal has issues as far as durability, then I'll just use it on my wheels......
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Macruz19, the OP is talking about Poli-Seal, a different product than Opti-Seal. It's easy to get the names confused, but remember the OP was talking about Poli-Seal.
 
Eliot Ness said:
Macruz19, the OP is talking about Poli-Seal, a different product than Opti-Seal. It's easy to get the names confused, but remember the OP was talking about Poli-Seal.
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Yeah I noticed... :think2
 
Reflectionz said:
im not really feeling poli-seal either. it doesnt seem to last when it rains or just doesnt last at all. i dont beleive it got rid of the swirls my friend, it just hid it. i did a few cars for dealerships which they dont pay me enough nor care much for swirls so i tried quick passes with a pc using poli-seal to hide them. it did a great job but after 2 days of raining, the swirls came back and it seems to me like the sealant is all gone.. doesnt feel like there is anything left on the paint as it feels not slick.
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This conclusion, "Slickness = evidence of product" is in error. Nor does beading mean much as surface tension can create beads of water without any wax. PS will produce more of a sheeting action, so water may bead at first but eventually sheet.



If Poli-Seal, or any AIO type product has abrasives in it for correction how then can it also "fill"? Now to be fair I have never used PS with a PC but I have used it with a Cyclo and I am doing a Porsche Cayenne today that I detailed about 6 months ago with PS, after looking at it yesterday no holograms where in the paint, only your typical halo-scratches from car washes.



The hood had buffer swirls in it but the Cyclo, orange pads and the PS removed them.



AIO type products are mainly designed for quick production work first and foremost and not outstanding protection. If a customer wants a polish and wax but is not wanting to pay for a 3 or 5 step process and pay $400 then you say....."Well I can give you a one-step polish and wax for $125.00"



Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
This conclusion, "Slickness = evidence of product" is in error. Nor does beading mean much as surface tension can create beads of water without any wax. PS will produce more of a sheeting action, so water may bead at first but eventually sheet.



If Poli-Seal, or any AIO type product has abrasives in it for correction how then can it also "fill"? Now to be fair I have never used PS with a PC but I have used it with a Cyclo and I am doing a Porsche Cayenne today that I detailed about 6 months ago with PS, after looking at it yesterday no holograms where in the paint, only your typical halo-scratches from car washes.



The hood had buffer swirls in it but the Cyclo, orange pads and the PS removed them.



AIO type products are mainly designed for quick production work first and foremost and not outstanding protection. If a customer wants a polish and wax but is not wanting to pay for a 3 or 5 step process and pay $400 then you say....."Well I can give you a one-step polish and wax for $125.00"



Anthony
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Anthony, I will be interested to see the results from the Porsche with the poli seal. Are you using it as a one step with no LSP or will you be applying an LSP?
 
poly-seal has become one of my favorite products. it is very easy to use. water sheets off. corrects (not hide) minor issues. decent lasting time. but i would for sure top it with a stronger, longer lasting LSP.
 
So some have mentioned Poli-seal's resistance to water comes in the form of an overall sheeting action? I am simply trying to figure out how to best use the product and whether or not it has washed off of the surface or not. I would typically use it just like Anthony O would recommend, as a one-step product with a medium-cut pad for those who don't want to pay a higher price for a multi-level polishing and wax process. I have always thought water beading was an indicator of whether or not wax is protecting a surface. I know for a fact that Optimum Spray Wax had a wonderful beading action, and so I came into Poli-Seal with the expectation of great beading as well. At this point then, would Opti Seal be my answers to amazing beading action (I guess I enjoy beading)?
 
audicoupej said:
Buff off the PS residue with OCW. That should make it do what you want (bead).
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This was what I am going to do in the future...but as a new buyer of the product, I wanted to see how it does all by itself.
 
Protective Optimum products generally soften water, so the beading characteristics is a bit different. Not as tight as say, Collinite, but not as spotty as well. Doesn't mean that the actual protection is not there. But as audicoupej said, wipe the car down with OCW if you are a beading fan.
 
Like others have said, just because it doesn't bead like collinite does, doesn't mean that there is no protection. I know that it may not seem like it, but poliseal actually is fairly durable...Here is one application of poliseal on a customer car after almost 2 months, and the car sits outside 24/7! The paint still had some slickness and had no contaminants :)

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http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...icture-after-1-1-2-months-plus-originals.html
 
Anthony Orosco said:
AIO type products are mainly designed for quick production work first and foremost and not outstanding protection. If a customer wants a polish and wax but is not wanting to pay for a 3 or 5 step process and pay $400 then you say....."Well I can give you a one-step polish and wax for $125.00"
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Agreed. Poli-Seal fills that niche perfectly. I mainly use it as a final polish rather than an LSP unless I am doing a one step or maybe a two step that needs major correction and I can use PS to give it a final polish and seal after using a compound.
 
IMO poli-seal works fantastic. I do however top it with nattys blue. A very good combo on dark colors! I am going to order some opti-seal and try topping it with that soon.
 
RyanDe680 said:
Anthony, I will be interested to see the results from the Porsche with the poli seal. Are you using it as a one step with no LSP or will you be applying an LSP?
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I'll be sure to post up some pictures when I do it.



I will use it as a one-step.



Anthony
 
Anthony can you also post pictures of the pad and amount of product applied to the pad?

and work time?

maybe this will help some people use it correctly as a 1 step
 
atticdog said:
Anthony can you also post pictures of the pad and amount of product applied to the pad?

and work time?

maybe this will help some people use it correctly as a 1 step
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I'll do my best at that, good idea:think2
 
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