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Picus said:
I may have missed it - but are you on the way to getting the paint fixed up? Heck, if I was in Maryland I'd do it free just because it's such a nice car, and because it pains me to see it looking like that. Hopefully you, or someone you know, can take care of it. Shouldn't be too difficult to get those holograms out with a PC. Those are some nasty holorgrams, mostly because they're so obvious - I just did a car with similar issues, they came out really nice with a cutting pad and optimum compound.
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Well, the original plan was to travel down to Florida and visit with family and detail my mothers 97' Z3 BMW. I was going to drive down and pack the detail supplies I would need. Plans changed a bit and I ended up flying down with no detail supplies and only stayed a couple of days. If I had my supplies as originally planned, yes I would have re-polished the paint.
 
Super said:
Really it's all speculation, the detailer what used the rotery knew what he was doing I can tell by looking at the skill level that he has used the rotery meany of times,
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:rolleyes: The thing is we don't know how many times this detailer has used a rotary, it may have even been his/her first time, or their 200th time. The bottom line is you just don't leave the finish looking like that. Obviously the detailer didn't really have a clue what he was doing, or he would have noticed the burns and went to the next step to eliminate them. No way in hell did my step-father pay for a one-step compounding job, thats ridiculous. I totally understand that even the best person on a rotary gets holograms from time to time. The thing that seperates them from the rest, is they know how to look for them and repair them in order to deliver a flawless finish to the customer.
 
General Lee said:
Well, the original plan was to travel down to Florida and visit with family and detail my mothers 97' Z3 BMW. I was going to drive down and pack the detail supplies I would need. Plans changed a bit and I ended up flying down with no detail supplies and only stayed a couple of days. If I had my supplies as originally planned, yes I would have re-polished the paint.
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Well hopefully someone locally can give him a good deal and fix it up. Shouldn't be that difficult, but it will require a modicum of skill the last guy obviously didn't have. Let us know how it turns out.
 
Super said:
Maybe the costomer only wanted to spend 100 bucks and the detailer had a family to support? and you know how its like supporting a family, I have people like that all the time looking for nothing. $100 bucks that's nothing to polish a car, $400 bucks is about right so... Myself I don't do half done jobs ether I do it right or not at all.



No problem Rotary marks is real easy to fix with a PC, just tell the cheap @&# costomer to spend some more $ :furious:
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Why is Super even a member here, from what I've read in this thread he has added nothing to it. His opinion of that job being worth $100 is retarded, when people pay someone a certain amount of money to "clean" or "detail" their car, they are not expecting the car to be damaged (yes, the paint is damaged). A simple wash, clay, and wax would have sufficed.



-Mark
 
this is what scares me of trying to PC my truck. I am afraid of doing that. I guess I will head to a junk yard and get a used fender and use it for practice. so if I screw that up I wont kill mayself. but yeah that was a horrific job. I would have killed the person that did that to my vehicle.
 
Super said:
The job wasn't done, it wasn't finshed it needs to be polished to take out the rotery marks ok kids.
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How do you know it wasn't finished? Unless you were the "detailer"....hahahahahaha, and if you plan on calling people kids, at least learn to type correctly.



-Mark
 
for a $100.... some may not take as many steps & time to do a superb class A job inside & out (but still some would do a good job, as i would). but... you can still do a very good job for that amount, imo. no one deserves that kind of work for any amount of money.
 
imacarnut said:
for a $100.... some may not take as many steps & time to do a superb class A job inside & out (but still some would do a good job, as i would). but... you can still do a very good job for that amount, imo. no one deserves that kind of work for any amount of money.
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Exactly the point I was trying to make.
 
crap! i do that sometimes! but i do mainly dealership work and they havent complaint.. there main thing is just to get the scratches out! i seen a lot of cars on the lot muuuch worst than those! but i do leave swirls like that on cars sometimes.. just because they want a cheap job and they concentrate on the scratches.. usually its just spot buff some spots with compound and polish. how bout you guys give suggestions to to NOT do that mistake and techniques you use.. keep in mind, some people are just looking for a cheap job and just want scratches done.
 
Reflectionsz: A lot of professional detailers will be able to tell you (I don't find myself quite there yet) that you should be able to remove scratches just fine while leaving a desireable (as swirl-free as possible) surface.
 
Super said:
Really it's all speculation, the detailer what used the rotery knew what he was doing I can tell by looking at the skill level that he has used the rotery meany of times, it was not a hack up job it was a "unfinish job" in my own detailing ways of doing things.

If it was done at dealership, car wash then its not the detailer fault, the detailer just works there and takes orders from the owner, the detailer is just making a living that's all. If it was done by a self empl detailer then my qauess is like I said supporting his family and the costomer is a cheap%$#, I know people how cheap they are and some are as cheap as they come!.

In my own personal option the above job is worth $100 bucks and the costomer got what he paid for also for the record I would never finish a job like that I don't care if I was starving to death for $$$. ops got to go running out of time got to go to work detailing a 03 black z7 corvette. take care and don't forget who loves you! Super
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Are you really being serious? A customer pays $100 for an exterior detail and the hacker has a right to leave severe rotary swirls? What makes you think the customer was being 'cheap' in any way? How do you know he didn't ask for an exterior detail and that was the price the hacker gave him? Going rate in my area for a two step (machine polish and seal) is $65-120 depending on vehicle size. Add another $20-50 per additional polishing step. Concours level finishes would of course be much higher.



You really believe it is worth paying $100 to have your car seriously swirled?
 
Reflectionz said:
crap! i do that sometimes! but i do mainly dealership work and they havent complaint.. there main thing is just to get the scratches out! i seen a lot of cars on the lot muuuch worst than those! but i do leave swirls like that on cars sometimes.. just because they want a cheap job and they concentrate on the scratches.. usually its just spot buff some spots with compound and polish. how bout you guys give suggestions to to NOT do that mistake and techniques you use.. keep in mind, some people are just looking for a cheap job and just want scratches done.
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How can you work for someone who has such low standards of performance?
 
03SilverDak said:
this is what scares me of trying to PC my truck. I am afraid of doing that. I guess I will head to a junk yard and get a used fender and use it for practice. so if I screw that up I wont kill mayself. but yeah that was a horrific job. I would have killed the person that did that to my vehicle.
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You couldn't do that to your car with a PC, those were made with a rotary. Well maybe the guy who did that detail might be able to do that with a PC ;)
 
I think the detailer is **** at the rotary or is stuffed in the head as he thought he could mess with a customer who wanted a detail for $100.

Usually if it is $400 for a wash, rotary cut, fine compound, polish, seal, then $100 should get you just a wash and all in one cleaner wax. Not a wash and rotary cut in this case! This detailer is thinking backwards (forwards)!
 
All things considered, these holograms look like a common problem/result amongst dealers and low-end type (read that "inexperienced") detailers. In an attempt at getting this thread to something perhaps more productive, (and for my own information!) what would you do to repair this type of damage? Will DACP or something similar and a PC remove these holograms, or is it required to use a rotary to remove rotary induced damage? It looks awful, but is it a really such a major repair? I'm inexperienced, and I've never had to work on holograms like that! Fill me in on the "suggested" repairs!
 
DSVWGLI said:
You couldn't do that to your car with a PC, those were made with a rotary. Well maybe the guy who did that detail might be able to do that with a PC ;)
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still putting something that powerful on my trucks paint would make me a bit uneasy. I am starting to see scratches in my paint and can I get rid of them by hand or is the :waxing: the only way to go?
 
"what would you do to repair this type of damage?" first off its not damage (well depends on how you look at it), its a prosedure (A series of steps taken to accomplish an end finsh) rotery holograms are real easy to buff out comes out real easy with a PC. Take a old car that has been negelected that has lots of scratches and paint defects the best way to repair the paint is with a Rotery. you can take it a step farther if needed and wet sand first and then use a rotery and finsh off with the PC. Doing this procedure is time consuming. Also this prosedure is the best way to get a mirror image on a new painted car.





On most of the replys on this thread: If you don't understand don't be so neurotic, I know you guys love your cars on how great it looks but old beat up cars is not worth the trouble or worrying about and beleave me there is lots of negected cars out there as you know. And restoring those beat up old cars takes a prosedure (A series of steps taken to accomplish an end finsh) and the fastest way of doing it is with a rotery on restoring old beat up cars.

There is Detailers that just detail nice cars and there is Detailers that restore beats up old cars and detailing beat up old cars cost sometimes more then the car is worth so people only spend so much on having there car detailed. Sample take a beat up car its value is $2000.00 to restore the car would cost $600.00 + So if $100.00 is spent in detailing a beat up car well like others has said use a paint cleaner, glaze and so on...... not worth the trouble worrying about.



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