No Scratch-No Maintenance Clear Coat Finishes

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buda

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As promised, here is a summary of the information I obtained about the "no scratch/no maintenance clear coat paint technology we hear about today.



The leader in the field is a company called, Nanovere that has a clear-coat that is not only scratch resistent, but also will clean itself. Their product is called Zyvere 2K Nanocoating and replies on embedded nanotechnology (did not clearly explain what that was, however) to perform it's scratch resisting and self-cleaning ability.



It is 53% less prone to scratches than conventional clears and remains 60% cleaner too.



The gloss retention is claimed to remain good up to 5 years.



The finish will repel oil, dirt, stains, water and ice and can be applied to alloy wheels as well, a blessing to detailers having to clean "baked" on brake dust.



It has proven very successful in protecting aircraft and marine vehicles too.



An independent test by Eastern Michigan University has found this product to be the most superior to others on the market today.



Nanovere president, Tom Choate indicated that this technnology for a detailer is going to pose problems because once it cures it is much more difficult to work on than standard clear-coats used in the OEM factories.



And even worse, for detailers he points out that wax or sealant is really unnecessary in terms of adding any real protection to the clear-coat.



But there is a good side to the story for US detailers and that is, according to Choate, "you will probably not see these types of clears used on US made cars anytime soon."



It seems that his advances to the major automotive paint companies have basically been ignored for a number of reasons and the auto manufacturers in the USA have not put any pressure on the paint companies to pursue this technology.



He did indicate that Nissan, Toyota, Honda and BMW will be using the technology from Nanovere on cars sold in the Europe, but not in the USA.



Of course, any aftermarket body sho can purchase this clear coat technology and use it as a final coat on a repaint.



Problem for the detailer is that you do no know that the vehicle had this finish unless the customer advised them that the vehicle had been repainted with a "no-scratch" clear coat.



Bottomline, detailers simply need to be aware of the technology and that it is here, in a limited way, but then again it could be a reality tomorrow if the auto manufacturers decided it was something they felt necessary.



More to come.



Regards

Bud Abraham

DETAIL PLUS SYSTEMS
 
Sounds like another big wave in paint technology advancement. :xyxthumbs



buda said:
It is 53% less prone to scratches than conventional clears and remains 60% cleaner too.
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It would be great if they would provide all of the background including the methodology of how they arrived at those percentages just so we know what they did.



Nanovere president, Tom Choate indicated that this technnology for a detailer is going to pose problems because once it cures it is much more difficult to work on than standard clear-coats used in the OEM factories.
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Are there any pointers on technique, materials, and products detailers would need to have to correct these finishes?
 
I'll take what Bill D said and go a step further. What defines a "scratch" and what defines "cleaner" ? Qualitating those variables isn't easy....



It also doesn't state what-so-ever HOW this new clear coat is different from today's standard in terms of working on it. It only states that it's more difficult to work on. Is that because we will need new special lighting to see defects ? Or do our shops need to be air conditioned to keep the temperature down as much as possible, since IIRC, heating up the clear coat on cars that currently have a "self-healing paint" actually hides the defects ? Or are there new products we're going to have to use ?



Articles like this are irritating when they leave all the important information out and give us some vague percentage numbers and tell us basically just that it's a PITA to work on.
 
Bill and WAS



First of all what I posted above is not an article it is simply a summary of the research I did about the "no-scratch/no maintenance" paint technology.



If you care to get more information than what I posted I would suggest you do two things:



a. Go to Google and type in "no scratch/no maintenance paint technology" you will find more than enough information and



b. Make a personal call to Mr Choate of Nanovere. A very gracious person who spoke with me for 45 minutes on the telephone about the technology.



I did not take detailed notes of the conversation so I only posted with I recalled as fact from that conversation. You call him I am sure he will more than answer any questions you have on the subject.



When you have questions about what someone else says, all you have to do is take the time to do your own research on the subject, you will be amazed at what you will find.



Regards

Bud Abraham
 
Indeed, one can very well do that but also, by the same token, when one posts about an interesting topic out of the blue and cites specifics findings about it, he can also take the time and give a little more info about the background of those findings. It can go both ways on the writer and the reader's part.
 
Well Bill, that is your opinion and you certainly are most entitled to it. However, having been a teacher in my previous life the role of the good instructor is to stimulate the student to be interested enough to get off their arse and do some research on their own. If they choose not to do that it is their choice. I am not going to do anymore work for you than what I have posted. You'd do better taking time researching than criticizing me for not giving you more information.



Just some well intentioned thoughts.



Bud A
 
buda said:
Well Bill, that is your opinion and you certainly are most entitled to it. However, having been a teacher in my previous life the role of the good instructor is to stimulate the student to be interested enough to get off their arse and do some research on their own. If they choose not to do that it is their choice. I am not going to do anymore work for you than what I have posted. You'd do better taking time researching than criticizing me for not giving you more information.



Just some well intentioned thoughts.



Bud A
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Well Bud, my mother happens to be a retired teacher so I am more than very fully aware of the conditions an instructor provides. As for the get up off the arse comment, I conduct much research myself, and I've come across plenty of instances, where incomplete information,some of it accurate, some of it not, has been presented.



This is a forum, and I posted my natural and initial reaction to the topic you posted. You'll have to forgive me for being interested enough in asking about some the pieces of information you spoke about. I thought the the whole point of a forum is to read, comment and inquire when someone posts a new, interesting topic but you have opened my eyes today that the reality is I better just say nothing and hop on over to Google pronto every time I have a question about something here. That is fine, I will be sure to remember to do that every time in the future for now own. Thank you. Just some well intentioned thoughts :rolleyes:
 
Bill, being a teacher does not make one a "good teacher." Just a point I thought I would interject.



As I say, rather than spending 5 or 10 minutes posting a refutation to my post and justifying your own, in my opininion, your time would be better spent doing your own research on the subject of non-scratch clears and adding to or refuting my comments with facts of your own.



Just some well intentioned thoughts from an old instructor (college level, I might add). No student of mine every got an easy answer to a question.



People need to learn how to think for themselves and research for themselves rather than having everything handed to them on a "silver" platter is my motto.



Regards
 
Bud,



That interjected point has been made clear here.



What type of response were you expecting from posting this thread? There is a difference between asking some questions and asking for everything on a silver platter. I guess lesson learned, teacher, is that when you post, we better get cracking right away with our own research, and not dare ask you for anything else. I didn't know that beforehand. Okay, we know how you operate now. Fair enough.
 
Bill



It seems you want to jostle and have the last word, so guess what? "You win, everything you say is correct."



It is better to debate whether your opinion or my opinion is right or wrong than to simply admit you could get your own information.



Let's drop this one on one debate which is of no interest to other participants and say "Bill wins."



Bud A
 
Boys, this behavior is uncalled for. Let's keep this thread on topic directed to the discussion of No Scratch-No Maintenance Clear Coat Finishes.
 
Seems like potentially cool technology. I, personally, am not really worried about the implication that detailers will all of a sudden become unnecessary. Frankly, we're unnecessary now, but I'm still crazy busy. :p As long as people have cars, they'll use detailers. :)
 
I do not see this becoming very popular anytime soon. Overtime yes, as everything Esp technology is always evolving. If the auto makers started using it, it would then take off.



I do not see this elminating the need for a detailer. We will learn to correct the finish, companies will make new products, interiors will always need to be cleaned.
 
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