Nissan 2face detail by KC

I read the results of the test you did. That was a lot of work and because I am new to detailing, I appreciate it.
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I too have read a lot about Zaino and based on what I have read on this forum (and many others), I recently placed an order for the products.

I have a couple of questions about the application of Zaino in your test. (Again, I have not tried ANY of the products, including Zaino.) Just based on the application instructions I have read on the product web site and posts by Zaino users, isn't the reccomendation to apply coats of Z5 until you are satisfied with the reduction of the swirls, then end with a coat of Z2? Second, does using a foam applicator make any difference, I've read to use 100% cotton towels?

I don't question the <em class='bbc'>results[/i] of your test, just wondering if those things mattered.

I read Sal's reply to your email, did you ever call him to see if he would address the findings of the test specifically?

Keep up the good work,

Julie
 
First of all, carnuba does not have a high shine. It is actually dull brittle, and yellow in it's pure form. A carnuba blend gets it's shine from oils in the formulation. The carnuba actually tints the color of the car because it is not clear. You can notice how most carnuba products have more of a wet look to them than a reflective look. This is why. Now before you flame away, this is not a bad look (it's all a matter of preference), but these are the facts.

If shine is all your are after, just use pure oil or a hand glaze for a deep shine. But if you want that shine to remain the same wash after wash, well that is another ball game.

Someone on the corvette board (a skeptic) did a test with GOLD CLASS and zaino and here are some of the results.....

Notice the water beading......

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=43501624

Which side looks better and clearer? Look carefully....look at the reflection of the grass!

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=54012701
 
This is getting very sketchy...when referring to carnauba, I meant a PURE carnauba wax such as Blitz or Souveran. I was not referring to a polymer/carnauba mixture such as Gold Class...there is a difference. How does a PURE carnauba such as Blitz or Souveran tint the color of the car? Just wondering if someone could clear this up...? :cool:
 
Carnuba is hard and brittle in it's pure state. It is often melted and added into a companies formulation. Typical carnuba type waxes, only contain about 5-10% carnuba by volume. Any more than that, and it gets very difficult to work with (take zymol that needs to be applied with your hands so the heat melts the product to make it spread easier). It also does not add any more protection after a certain amount. When you see PURE CARNUBA, it means that the part of the wax that is carnuba is 100% pure. Every carnuba product must contain other waxes. Polyethylene wax is popular, and most contain pariffin wax for water beading properties. Take a candle, for instance, that is pariffin wax. It is not clear, and neither is carnuba. Now picture shaving a very thin slice off. This can represent what is actually going on your car. Can you see through the slice? yes..... Is it 100% clear....no. This is what "tints" the color of your car. Older carnubas like KIT wax were notorious for creating a yellowing effect on white cars due to the type of carnuba they used. If you used a carnuba wax on one car and a quality polymer on the same color car and put them side by side, you would see a difference in color. The polymer product would show the true color of the paint. Again, this is not a bad thing, just the facts on carnubas.
 
First off, there are no pure carnaubas, or it would be hard as a rock. Also, Soveran doesn contain polymers as does Blitz so... Also, for the red corvete compero pics, the only noticable difference seems to be the grass pactch area, but f you look carfully, the Gold Class is reflecting a stone wall that ends before the right zaino side which is reflecting the grass, two different things reflecting here. Im with you though DK 100% that the Zaiono's shine will last much longer and provide more protection. So not trying to prove you wrong or anything.
 
Even with a gloss meter, the real life results are tough to judge. I look for things like waterbeading, ease of use, durability, and slickness in a product. If I just wanted a killer shine I would spray pledge all over the car....ever try it? KILLER shine......the car is full of dust in an hour though.
 
So basically what it comes down to that is a PURE carnauba wax (one without cleaning properties or polymers) such as Blitz or Souveran will actually darken the finish of the paint? On the issue of durability, why would a car enthusiast care about the durability of carnauba since it is common for this type of consumer to wax every two weeks? :confused:
 
Than the durability of carnubas is not an issue for you. blitz is a durable carnuba, you might have to renew it once every 1-2 months......
 
But what about the issue of a PURE carnauba wax (again, one that does not have any cleaning properties or polymers) darkening my paint? Will these darken the paint like you said before? Also, what is the advantage of using Klasse or Zaino if I do not mind re-waxing every 1-2 months?
 
And sometimes, you have to consider how easy a wax is to use. For example, Pinnacle Paste Glaz doesn't take me any more time to use than most quick detailers. And I prefer a freshly waxed surface over a freshly QD'ed surface.



Btw is it me, or is the Zaino side reflecting grass, and the Gold Class side reflecting the brick wall? Look at the background of the Zaino side, and see how that green patch of "grass" turns to a little wall?



Here, take a look:
 
Those pictures seem too inconsistent. Nothing is proved since the two sides are completely different. The tester should have used Zaino and Meguiar's both on the same side. From what I can tell by that pic, both sides pretty much look the same. On the other hand, the picture of the hood beading water does prove something, that Zaino has the edge on water beading capabilities. But even then, a good carnauba will bead also.
 
A quality polymer will last at least 4 months. Carnubas last typically 1-6 weeks, with a few lasting perhaps up to 8 weeks depending on conditions.



I used to wax my car every week or at least once a month, but since I have been using a polymer formulation, after a few coats, I just wash and QD every week. With the time savings, it allows me to clean the rest of the car better. Things like door and trunk jams, engine bay, interior, wheels, and windows,etc,etc,etc...
 
Ok , ok lets slow down. Look, there are few if no "pure carnaubas". All carnaubas have to have mineral sprits and a bunch of other stuff (even zymol who lies their asses off). Many, in not all waxes contain polymers, includint Soveran and Blitz to enhance durability a bit. Zymol might not contain polymers but their waxes are a joke anyway so we dont need to tlak about them. On the isue of durability, yes if you wax every month then the wax coat will remain on the paint, but wax itself is an organic substance that is succeptable to heat (melts at around 160º F), and is very succetable to acids and alkalines such as acid rain, bird crapand other stuff), so while the durability might not come into question if you wax often, but the ability of a sealent to protect against the elemnts is far greater. Im not bashing waxes, i use blitz, its great stuff, but theres no questoning that polymers protect your finish better. As far as looks go, the only true way is to try it out yourself. Klasse has the brightest shine of anything i had ever seen, but it was somewhat sterile, so i toped it with blitz. Also, the klasse shine lasts, as will the shine of most quality polymers such as zaino.
 
1.Why do you say Zymol is a joke? Just curious what your train of thought was...........



2. The polymers in carnuba blends are not the types that cross link upon curing. They are more in the line of some polyethyene polymer or wax added directly to the formula....



3. As for polymer vs carnuba protection (not durability), that was a good point, there is no contest.



Check out the April 2000 issue of Motor Trend in an article named "Paint Care Myths and Reality"

I am direct quoting here:



Motor Trend question "A wax made of 100 percent carnauba is superior to those using

lessor amounts?"

Answer by Mike Pennington, director of training for Meguiars "Carnauba wax has been a favorite among car enthusiasts

for years, but don't believe that any wax is made of 100

percent carnauba. As the hardest natural wax known, carnauba is much too hard to apply

directly to automotive paint. If a paint protectant advertises "pure carnauba," it means the part

of the formulation that is carnauba is pure, not that it's 100 percent carnauba. According

to Pennington, current synthetic polymer technology actually provides better protection than carnauba"
 
I was a bit brash when saying they are a joke, while they can ge decent results, the durability, applyability (word?), price and marketing are in serious question. Well first, i dont trust a company that flat out lies to their customers about not having mineral spirits or distilates in their wax when it clearly sais on ther PDS that they do contain them. Also, not big on their all narural marketing, my paint isnt natural, so why should i have to apply natural produts...there is a difference between natural and safe. And car specific waxes!?, i mean i can see color specific waxes but this is a rip off spending more money for essentailly the same wax because it has a picture of your car on the box. Also, they are usually overpriced to varying degrees, $35 for Carbon wax or whatever is ok but $1000 for small thing of wax, give me a break. Give me klasse, zaino, one grand, mothers or even meguairs anyday. Yeah, your right, i was tying to say that the polymers in waxes dont do too much but are suposed to add some more protection, but arent the same build as in cross-linking polymer products. Polymers while their jetting isnt allways as good as a wax, provide good looks with excelent durability and strength.
 
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