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shinnster

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Well, i washed my car for the third time after using blackfire. This is also after several rain showers.



BF seems to still be protecting as the water did bead and sheet. But After i dried the car off it felt like there was no kind of protectant on there. Felt like bare paint. Not exactly like bare paint, but no where near what it used to feel like. It also attracted alot of dust in a very short time.



The shine is still ok, a little faded but still ok. I'm also noticing that bf left a white residue on some of my black trim.



I just don't know anymore about blackfire. when i was using klasse, the car didn't attract as much dirt so quickly. Maybe i'm doing things wrong but i don't think so.



I'm strongly considering redoing my car and trying combining layers of klasse and blackfire.



Just thought i'd fill ya guys in
 
Shinnster, thanks for the update.



My experience is the same as yours for the first 4 coats of BFPP in regards to feels of bare paint and fading in shine; however, after coat#5 it seems to hold up better. Just washed the car last week and the shine is still great and for the first time I didn't see the degradation in shine. :up Slickness is another issue though :down



I'm also considering to layer other wax on top, but instead of Klasse like you are thinking, I'll be putting on Souveran. Will see what happens.
 
I noticed the heavy dust attraction also. For a while, I thought it might have been the Final Inspection I was using that was attracting the dust. I guess it might be the BF that's causing the dust attraction.
 
Has anyone tried applying more per application than the recommended amount on the CMA site? For those that are having problems did you properly polish the paint before applying the Blackfire?
 
That's very disappointing news. If anyone else has some better results please post them. 5 coats to get decent longevity is crazy.
 
I just ordered the Blackfire "new car kit" from CMA -- I hope it works better for me than what you guys are posting. Right now I'm using Klasse, and the longevity is great so far. I'll be Blackfiring this spring, so if it doesn't have much staying power, I can always switch back to Klasse next fall.
 
Remember this is only a few people. This does not mean it is a bad product if everyone else is getting good results.
 
I still really like the fact that bf is easy to apply and provides a great shine. It's just the durability in question now.



Has anybody ever contacted cma about our problems with blackfire? I wonder what they would have to say.
 
The first time I heard rumblings about Blackfire loosing slickness and gloss after a few washes I chalked it up to being an extreme case. But now it's getting to be a more frequent occurance, hopefully these cases are the exception rather than the rule. If not BlackFire has some durability issues. :(
 
Does loss of slickness guarantee the durability is gone? Maybe with this certain polymer formulation, after it fully cures(it may not cure as fast as it says it can), it isn't as slick but still there. Just speculating cause I recently purchased Blackfire and haven't had the time or temps to try it out and I am hoping it has not been a mistake.
 
I don't judge everything by slickness. But, in the cases I have heard people report a slight loss of gloss along with the loss of slickness after each wash. The slight loss of gloss after each wash is more troubling to me than the loss of slickness.
 
Shinnster, William, does the BF QD (after washing & drying) do anything to rejuvenate the slickness? I find that Klasse slowly loses slickness after a few washes, but the shine is still definitely there and doing a QD makes it slick again till the next wash.
 
The dust pickup is a strange issue. Most poymer sealants have very low dust pickup. Makes you wonder if Blackfire has some oil content to be picking up that much dust.??:confused:
 
I reread about blackfire on the CMA site and I could only find two occurances of the word slick from them. It was hard to find.



It was mentioned about using the QD to make the surface slick or something like that. Maybe Blackfire is not slick to begin with???



Just tossing something out there to think about.
 
Here is one spot I read in the FAQ section but that and in the application guide is the only mention.





BLACKFIRE All Finish Paint Protection creates a very slick surface that sheets water to reduce water spots. All carnauba waxes hold beads of water on the surface. Using a carnauba wax over All Finish Paint Protection will increase the likelihood of water spots.
 
I'm letting the cat out of the bag, but we're dying here at thewaxtest.com to start testing again...over the weekend we started conducting abrasiveness tests and we measured the pH levels of various wash solutions, to check for acidity/alkalinity - we're searching for a very neutral car wash.



A certain wash product appears to have a pretty high alkaline level - higher than we would have thought, which could affect the quality of the protectant after a wash. Our method for testing is not highly scientific; we simply pour the prescribed amount into a bucket, fill it with lukewarm water, agitate it, and then measure with litmus strips.



I hate to tease, but I've got to save the "good stuff" for our site; just thought I'd share some of this info with "y'all".



Oh, and I agree with Shinnster - BF is very easy to apply, especially with a PC, which is what I liked about it too.
 
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