NEWB: Zaino one panel at a time... (extending application over a period of days).

Bis said:
What you mention here makes a lot of sense. I just don't understand why Zaino pushes those cotton pads so hard.
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They have a billion of them in the warehouse. ;)



Do you recommend using foam for the clear seal coat as well?.
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Yes, use the foam for everything.



I use my Zaino cotton pads for applying leather conditioner.
 
Bis said:
So with Zaino applying very little means that while I am applying the product I may NOT SEE anything on the paint I just covered? And it will feel as if there is NOTHING being applied?
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Yes, it is different than pushing around a carnauba. You will see it make wet marks when you apply it but it won't be easily visible milky streaks like carnauba. Just make sure you cover the surface well. And it takes almost no pressure. Just wipe on. Remember you are just sealing not polishing. Easy!!
 
If in doubt, I rub the applicator on glass, if it leaves a bit, there is still plenty there.
 
One panel at a time of course won't hurt anything, and if that makes you happy, then do it that way. And always start with a well-prepped panel of course.
 
I've never used Zaino (other than ZAIO), but I use plenty of sealants that I believe to be comparable..



Bis said:
So with Zaino applying very little means that while I am applying the product I may NOT SEE anything on the paint I just covered?
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That's something you'll just get used to. I even apply waxes that way most of the time. On white/silver it's tough to see most any LSP unless you've used far more than is necessary.



And it will feel as if there is NOTHING being applied?
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You oughta feel it going on as the product will lubricate the pad to some extent. Rubbing pant with a dry foam pad is very different from rubbing one that's depositing (a tiny bit of) product.



When doing this stuff I go 90% by feel, that and just working methodically enough to know whether I've done a given area or not.



I just have to keep "spreading" the little bit of product that is on the pad even though I can't see it or feel it on the paint, right?



It's just very tricky not seeing or feeling what you are applying. There is no way to know if you covered the area properly or not!
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Again, you oughta feel *some* diff, and you'll know because you moved the applicator across an areas or you didn't ;) You can stop and test the applicator for product as yakky suggested (I generally use a chrome or black plastic part instead of glass myself) or even just feel it to see if it needs more product. But I'd expect you to feel increasing friction as the applicator runs dry.



Depending on the conditions where you're working, you can fog the surface with your breath and see if that makes the product on the panel visible. FWIW, I almost always do that when buffing off my LSPs anyhow.
 
Whoah. Amazing. Thank you guys.



I will have to get used to this. I am 100% sure that my main problem is that I applied way too much then and the fact that I used the cotton pad also did not help.



FOAM IS THE TICKET, RIGHT? (for both Z-AIO and Z-CS?)
 
Bis said:
Whoah. Amazing. Thank you guys.



I will have to get used to this. I am 100% sure that my main problem is that I applied way too much then and the fact that I used the cotton pad also did not help.



FOAM IS THE TICKET, RIGHT? (for both Z-AIO and Z-CS?)
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Yes, foam allows more even application using much less product than using a cotton polishing pad.
 
Alright guys, I wanted to update the thread with my most recent findings from yesterday. Picked up some CHEAP foam applicators from the local auto parts store and went to town on the roof of the Astro as this was the only part of the vehicle that was untreated.



I waited this long just so that I could get an afternoon of LOW humidity as it would be the only way to judge if that was creating some of the problems I described before. Turns out that with the foam pads and much lower humidity (before I was working with 85% humidity or so, yesterday was under 50%) the product did not "STICK" to the paint. It moved nice and easy as I thought it would and as advertised. Spreading it was beautifully simple, such a difference from my first time!!!



I am so motivated now that I "know the trick" that I will probably be giving the van a second (much more even and proper) coating later today.

The temperatures are decreasing fast so I better get on it before the winter weather arrives.



Thanks for all the help!
 
Accumulator said:
Bis- Hard to "order up some low humidity" though, isn't it :chuckle: Get it done while the weather is conducive....
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That's exactly right!!! I never knew that a summer in Delaware would be so humid!? It was very humid pretty much EVERY DAY!? A friend of mine said it best: "At times it felt more appropriate to swim through the air than to walk around!" That's how nasty humid it was! :0)

Now that we are getting a break I am not going to let it slip!



Thanks!



PS: How do detailers say in... Florida do it? I mean its humid as hell over there pretty much all year round, no? Do you rent a special temperature controlled room? LOL what's the trick? My next big post is going to be about winter washing, etc, so the weather will be messing with me once again (thankfully I will only need to wash the car, nothing else).
 
Cool, glad you got it sorted out. I apply using the cheapie blue MF applicator pads from WalMart.
 
Thanks for the help guys.



Last night even though it was deceptively cool outside the humidity was pretty high again and the effect on the products, specially CS was very evident. Humidity is a HUGE no-no for Zaino. It gets "sticky" and doesn't run with high humidity, as I reported before. And then it requires a long time for it to dry after you apply it.

Since I do not have a garage, the car has to dry outside, and it rained overnight. So no wonder my applications of this stuff are only lasting weeks, instead of months...



Finding perfect weather is the problem for me. I am afraid I need a product that is less susceptible to humidity and water. My arms and body are killing me from babying the car all day yesterday.... lol If I am going to put this kind of effort again (this is my second time with Zaino) it has to last a little bit longer... :0(



I wonder if KLASSE and/or Collinite are just as sensitive to humidity?
 
Bis said:
.. I am afraid I need a [different] product that is less susceptible to humidity and water...I wonder if KLASSE and/or Collinite are just as sensitive to humidity?
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I can't really say about the humidity as I have a dehumidifier in the shop, but I've sure never noticed any issues with either of those. BUT...



I wouldn't choose the Klasse twins as KSG is really only great when heavily layered. Speaking as somebody who did layer it 6X on stuff like minivans and SUVs, you probably don't want to go there. Something that'll hold up with only an application or two, with occasional refreshers, will probably be more practical.



Either Collinite 476S or FK1000P oughta work fine. I've used both for the dog-haulers (big, used-hard vehicles) and I can't complain about either product.
 
Yes, I was starting to consider Collinite 476S for the winter and FK1000P for the summer. I will wait for this second application of Zaino to show some age, if durability is bad again I will have to make a decision.
 
Bis said:
Yes, I was starting to consider Collinite 476S for the winter and FK1000P for the summer..
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I'd just pick one or the other for year-round use. Neither is heat/cold/seasonally sensitive.
 
Oh cool, so Collinite resists high temperatures as well?

If that's the case than Collinite might the way to go?
 
Bis said:
Oh cool, so Collinite resists high temperatures as well?

If that's the case than Collinite might the way to go?
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IMO the Collinite does fine in all conditions. I would't read too much into the FK being called a "high temperature wax" if that's what has you wondering. IMO the whole "waxes and temperature sensitivity"/melting/etc. thing is all blown out of proportion and not worth much consideration. E.g., consider Souveran, a rather fragile beauty wax- it does die kinda fast on the hood of my Jag, which gets *WAY* too hot to touch, but I still use that wax on it and it's not really an issue; Scottwax uses Souveran on black cars in Texas. If Souveran is OK, Collinite will wear like iron.



The choice between Collinite/FK1000P is pretty much just a Coke vs. Pepsi, or rather more like Coke vs. 7Up, but the Collinite does seem a bit more forgiving of minor flaws than the FK1000P. Eh, I've switched to the FK, but that's just me and you shouldn't read too much into that.
 
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