New mid engine Corvette. July 18th.

[tropicsteve]

https://www.chevycorvette.com/corvette-c8-mid-engine
definitely a beautiful ride and it looks like a lot of european/exotic styling influences. i like it and wonder what ronkh thinks about it.

 

[quebert]

LOL at that Scooby Doo, When I was a teen my friends dad has a Fiero, I thought it was so cool. I forgot about it, but like 15 years passed and I was 30 and thought "hummmm how come I NEVER see a Fiero anywhere?" I Yahoo`ed it *before Google* and learned they were one of the worst cars since the Gremlin.

 

[Desertnate]

GM with all their woes needs a mid engine car like a hole in the head. Most of their regular cars just died off due to poor quality and subsequent bad sales. I dunno. I see it as a lack of long term thinking by those in charge. Instead of radically changing the Corvette; refine the one you have and sink whatever extra resources into improving the brand`s quality and reliability.

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I agree about their regular cars. There is a reason the Camary and Accord still sell, though in smaller numbers. GM and Ford killed their own cars by letting them die on the vine from neglect. Mediocre performance and build quality along with unimaginative features and no marketing drove them into their grave.

The Corvette is their halo car, so it really needed to be kept relevent. They had pushed the limits of the front engine/rear drive platform and needed to go mid engine to stay competitive.

By dumping all their money into SUV`s and the Vette, I wonder if Chevy is going the way of Ford and killing off their cars and simply not making it public like Ford did. Buick and Caddy may keep cars for a while, but Chevy may bow out of the market by simply not building the next generation of each car similar to what is happening to the Camaro (if the rumors are true). Of course that would make Chevy and GMC redundant...not far from where they are already today.

 

[briarpatch]

Not sure of public opinion on this, but I think it looks like crap. I`ve been a long time fan of the Corvette, and this style change makes me want to hurl

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Of course that would make Chevy and GMC redundant...not far from where they are already today.

GM has long been accused of too much redundancy...hence the pruning of Olds in the early 00`s, and Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, Saab after the bankruptcy.

As far as your earlier comment about Chevy killing off all their cars just not making it public...I think the elimination of the Volt, Cruze, and Impala was pretty public. The only "regular car" they have left is the Malibu.

PS In my mind GMC and Chevy have always been redundant--has their ever been a distinct platform in either brand that wasn`t sold by the other? I think GMC was always just a way for non-Chevy dealers under the GM umbrella to sell trucks, also.

 

[Tc99m]

Personally when my Cadillac is gone. Most likely it will be my last GM. Yes it is 15 almost 16 years old. I have had my fair share of problems with it. But nothing I wouldn`t deal with form any other manufacture. Except for one problem. That just irks me. The front lights are a travesty of design. The simple ones to change are the turn signals. To replace these the easy way.

All you need to do
Remove the tire
Remove the finder liner so you can access the back panel of the turn signal light housing.
Disconnect the wire harness,
Remove the 6 screws
Open back panel of light box and then remove Bulb.
Change Bulb and reverse process to put it all together.

10 minutes with proper tools. Might as well do the other turn signal since I have the tools out. 20-30minute job.
My Hyundai, I can change both signal bulbs in under 5miutes. Headlight about the same to time. Plus, I could do the on the side of the road if had to.
I told my wife if a headlight goes we are trading it in. I have to remove the whole front bumper just to replace a headlight.
Safety is not a concern if this how they are designed. I would hate to be on a long road trip with no tools and have to change a simple bulb.

ok rant is over.
If I won the new Vette I would be love to have it.

 

[Dan]

Personally when my Cadillac is gone. Most likely it will be my last GM. Yes it is 15 almost 16 years old. I have had my fair share of problems with it. But nothing I wouldn`t deal with form any other manufacture. Except for one problem. That just irks me. The front lights are a travesty of design. The simple ones to change are the turn signals. To replace these the easy way.

All you need to do
Remove the tire
Remove the finder liner so you can access the back panel of the turn signal light housing.
Disconnect the wire harness,
Remove the 6 screws
Open back panel of light box and then remove Bulb.
Change Bulb and reverse process to put it all together.

10 minutes with proper tools. Might as well do the other turn signal since I have the tools out. 20-30minute job.
My Hyundai, I can change both signal bulbs in under 5miutes. Headlight about the same to time. Plus, I could do the on the side of the road if had to.
I told my wife if a headlight goes we are trading it in. I have to remove the whole front bumper just to replace a headlight.
Safety is not a concern if this how they are designed. I would hate to be on a long road trip with no tools and have to change a simple bulb.

ok rant is over.
If I won the new Vette I would be love to have it.

You should check out some german stuff some time. On some Audi`s you have to remove engine parts to get to the bulbs!

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Personally when my Cadillac is gone. Most likely it will be my last GM. Yes it is 15 almost 16 years old.

Yeah, I think I`ve bought my last GM, too.

I told my wife if a headlight goes we are trading it in. I have to remove the whole front bumper just to replace a headlight.

I had to do one like that...I just cheated it and pulled the bumper cover back because it was all beat up anyway...pretty ridiculous. If it`s any consolation with the newer cars with the LED lights are smaller and maybe more room to access...and hopefully won`t need to be replaced.

 

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[Tc99m]

I had an 86 Fiero, it was such a fun car. Except when it rained! Rear wheel drive plus all the weight in the back. Made for exciting driving. But, for all the wrong reasons.

 

[felixthecat]

Decades later Zora is finally getting his Vette.......

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I had an 86 Fiero, it was such a fun car. Except when it rained! Rear wheel drive plus all the weight in the back. Made for exciting driving. But, for all the wrong reasons.

It was certainly an interesting car on several levels...in one respect it was a GM parts bin car, with an X-body drivetrain turned around the other way. In another respect it was completely opposite of the usual GM committee-think in that one guy pretty much had control of the whole project. And it was kind of revolutionary at the time for the RIM body panels on a space frame, which were said at the time to have reduced tooling cost and therefore would allow for easier (more frequent) styling changes (not to mention the dent resistance, sort of). That technology would ultimately wind up with Saturn.

On the other hand I worked with a guy who hated his Fiero so much that he claimed to have paid someone to arsonize it (is that a word?) for the insurance money.

 

[Dan]

The best part of the fiero was the assclowns at GM put the iron duke in that thing. Arguably the worst sounding motor ever made.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

The best part of the fiero was the assclowns at GM put the iron duke in that thing. Arguably the worst sounding motor ever made.

They later put the 2.8 60° V-6 in it. You know, the Fiero wasn`t supposed to be a Firebird or Corvette, it had the Iron Duke because that was the X-body base engine, and the car used the X-body drivetrain. Judge the car for what it was, it was a low-priced sporty car, and as I stated earlier, they were fleshing out some new concepts for GM, one of which was the development of a car that bypassed some of the development (i.e., management) and tooling processes that were standard at the time to get to market quicker and cheaper.

Did you have one? Have you ever been in one? Seen one?

 

[Billy Jack]

They later put the 2.8 60° V-6 in it. You know, the Fiero wasn`t supposed to be a Firebird or Corvette, it had the Iron Duke because that was the X-body base engine, and the car used the X-body drivetrain. Judge the car for what it was, it was a low-priced sporty car, and as I stated earlier, they were fleshing out some new concepts for GM, one of which was the development of a car that bypassed some of the development (i.e., management) and tooling processes that were standard at the time to get to market quicker and cheaper.

Did you have one? Have you ever been in one? Seen one?

I`ve been employed by GM Dealers since the 70`s and I agree, Setec.

Bill

 

[Dan]

They later put the 2.8 60° V-6 in it. You know, the Fiero wasn`t supposed to be a Firebird or Corvette, it had the Iron Duke because that was the X-body base engine, and the car used the X-body drivetrain. Judge the car for what it was, it was a low-priced sporty car, and as I stated earlier, they were fleshing out some new concepts for GM, one of which was the development of a car that bypassed some of the development (i.e., management) and tooling processes that were standard at the time to get to market quicker and cheaper.

Did you have one? Have you ever been in one? Seen one?

I don`t recall driving one, I have ridden in a few as a close friend was a fiero guy.I don`t really care what GM`s excuses for the iron duke were. Its a great motor actually, but not for a sports car. Was the Fiero better than the crap GM was turning out at the time, probably. There were plenty of other better choices at the time, specifically the MR2 which was just a way better car. And I say that as someone who owns a C6 and has owner 5 or so 6 GM cars. In fact, I`ll pour some more gas on the fire, while I love the way my C6 looks and drives, it is such a poorly finished car that it is almost charming, like a Harley.

 

[Desertnate]

In fact, I`ll pour some more gas on the fire, while I love the way my C6 looks and drives, it is such a poorly finished car that it is almost charming, like a Harley.

I don`t disagree. While I haven`t looked at a C6 recently, I`ve noticed this on several recent GM products I`ve driven lately. To be fair, I`ll also say GM isn`t alone. While car shopping recently I test drove a brand new Mustang GT. None of the major panels had even pannel gaps and the entire hood was mounted off center. The gap between fender and hood on the passenger side were noticeably larger than the gap on the driver side. Both doors were not mounted level. A brand new Mustang Bullit parked next to it was even worse. The rear 3/4 panel was off set and actually sticking out from the rest of the car on the passenger side. The rear bumper cover was very crooked. None of the external lines matched up. I was quite shocked at how poorly both of those $50K cars were assembled.