new black car method - opinions?

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steve259

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ok. after reading posts for hours, i'm leaning toward something as follows for my new black bmw, but would like to get some feedback (and by the way, no disrespect to the zaino fans is intended):



1) meguaire's #7 - clear coat glaze

(unnecessary step?)

does anyone like this in place of AIO? also, i didn't want to

use anthing with abrasives)



2) klasse AIO

(necessary for new paint? does it have abrasives?)



3) klasse SG

(need to seal new paint? i don't know if this is stupid or not, but i've heard you might want to use only the natural carnauba originally before using any kind of sealer)



ps - should i use only AIO or only SG or both?



4) pinnacle souveran





this was my orginal plan, but when i saw Ripsnort's pic's of the black bimmer, now i'm torn between the above or:



p21s paint cleaner (abrasives?) and p21s carnuaba wax combo.



thoughts?



thanks in advance,

steve259
 
Hi Steve,



Welcome to Autopia.



There are lots of people using the Klasse twins. I'm sure you've seen plenty of pics and posts to know what it can do. If you're interested in it then its best to use it exclusively except for maybe a topper of carnauba wax over the SG for added effect. Either way, skip the #7 if you're going Klasse. It will only interfere with the bonding of the AIO and SG. #7 serves no purpose with this combo.



If you want to try a sample of Klasse, check out www.yosteve.com. He sells smaller containers of Klasse for those who want to try it but not commit to big bottles.



Obviously Klasse is only one product line. The P21S stuff can deliver great results too. So can Pinnacle, One Grand, and others.



Don't worry too much about abrasives. AIO contains a mild polish that will remove micromarring and any minor surface imperfections. I've yet to see a new car that cannot use a little mild polish. Use AIO then top with SG. Carnauba on top of that if you like.
 
I also would get a few of steves towels while you are there, I want to get a few myself. I am just waitin a little more cash so I can get a lot of them;) Towels are Verry inportant, but with black they are a must!
 
Steve:



I debated over the p21s gepc/p21s wax vs. AIO/SG/wax for my black 2002 F150 Lariat. Ended up buying both (with more than one vehicle, neither will go to waste), but using the p21s products for the first go-around. I thought it would be a bit easier, and there's a lot of sheet metal there. The gepc is supposed to be a relatively mild as far as abrasives go. I am really pleased with the results. I'll probably layer on another coat of the wax in a week or two. When I get the chance, I'll use the AIO/SG combo in the bed of the truck (I did not do anything to the inside of the bed as of yet) so I can get an idea if I want to eventually use this combo on the truck body (and, if the AIO/SG combo lasts as long as advertised, I won't have to mess around with the inside of the bed for a while).



I too spent countless hours scouring the board, hoping the "right" answer would smack me up side the head. Finally decided just to start trying a few products (and, admittedly, got carried away a bit:)



Good luck!

ernie
 
You will get a deeper shine with the p21s then klasse. However the klasse will last much longer. Blackfire is a little more of an in between better shine then klasse IMHO last longer then carnuba. For my X5 I use blackfire, have not tried it on the WRX yet. The X5 is to big to wax 1x a month, so I use the BF. The BF looks real good gonna give it shot on the WRX this weekend if I get time.
 
Thanks everyone!



i have another Q though: i read on carcareonline that german paints don't really like polymers. i haven't heard that ANYWHERE else. anybody heard of that?



also, what's the general consensus on whether i should clay or not on my new black car (keeping in mind that i'm new to all this and am really tentative about screwing it up?)
 
If you run your hand over the surface of your car and you feel small bumps then I would say clay it. More than likely your car won't need it just yet. One of the things that cause the need for clay is called Industrial Fallout (IFO) and its also known as Rail Dust (because of the metal shavings that fly off the train rails during the transport of the automobile). Most cars are protected from rail dust durring transport, but not all IFO can be avoided. You could have parked your car under a tree and it dripped all kinds of sap and crud on it. If it needs claying then it doesn't matter how old the car is. A need is a need. More than likely, you are ok. Do the "touch and feel" test on it before you go out and buy a brick of clay.
 
I would definately clay the car as part of the prep process. It's not hard and the benefit is well worth the effort. Just be sure to use plenty of QD or car wash as a lube and keep working and folding the clay to expose a fresh surface. There is a great explanation of how to clay your car on the Zaino web site.



As far as the "german paints dont like polymers"......you couldnt prove it to me....both my cars are german and the Zaino looks great and has been very durable. :cool:
 
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