NEW 416 WAX (Rumors)

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I am the owner of 416 Auto Appearance. I am also not really a computer person so excuse me for the post if it is crude in anyway. To set up as a member on autopia I had to set up an e-mail for the first time, this is an indication to how computer savvy I am. That being said I have had a few of the members from this site call me in regards to my company and some wax that I use. I have also had some of those members inform me that my company name is being tossed around with the wrong message. I have been sifting through posts for a while now and am trying to follow what seems to be going on. First off, I do not even know a "Clinton". I assume that it is one of the young guys in the building behind me that comes over to my warehouse to ask me questions. There are a lot of young car guys that ask me questions, and that I sell or give products to. So to pin point them would be difficult . From reading "Clintons" posts, it seems that he/she takes what I say and adds some magic powder to make it interesting for this site. So in hopes of clearing things up, I will comment on a few things that need to be addressed. As far as old business partners and such topics I will not bother with because it has no relevance, nor do I want to waste my time our yours. What we do is Automobile restoration and Fine Detailing. We cater to the very high end market. We make our own wax on site. We do not private label. We have been making wax for almost 10 years. The reason we started making it was because the old style waxes that we were using 10 years "plus" ago in our shops were not made for clear coat finishes. At the time it was cheaper to have the wax out-sourced. As the years went on we bought the equipment and developed the wax we use now. We sell it to our customers exclusively. If they want to retain and maintain the look and protection of their vehicle on their own after we treat it. Do we sell to the pubic ? No, not right now. We sell to dealers and they private label it. We have a few products that we manufacture on site. A few members that have contacted us were really nice and genuine car nuts, so I invited them up to the shop to give them some wax and we did. Another topic was do we sell Klasse ? Yes we do. When a customer has used our service we give them the option to buy the products we used on their treatment. We use Klasse on some of our clients vehicles, so that's their option to purchase it to maintain the finish if they like. We do not market to sell it to the public and that dictates our selling prices. Do we take a loss on some products ? Yes, but it keeps our customers happy. Our back-end sales are very important to us, as is our customer satisfaction. Which is one of the reasons that we are booked for more than a year at a time. For my benefit, if and when "Clinton" posts about us, please take it with a grain of salt. I understand that a topic like this with a person like "Clinton" creating the topic can create a lot of buzz in a car crazy community like this. Hence, the negative comments from those members that did not know the facts. But for the moderators to do the same bashing without taking the few minutes to do the research is very low class. I thought you were here to provide your members with professional and non-biased help. Not to make a kid who is exited about his new wax and getting a great deal on a wax that is so popular in your forums feel stupid. Low class. If the moderators have the backbone not to edit this post, I will be impressed. If you do edit it, I will feel good knowing that even if your members do not have a chance to see it in it's entirety you had to read it before you erased it.



The crew @ 416
 
IIRC, we were just very curious because he was talking about some wax but never gave us any specific details about it..and us autopians are big into trying new things!
 
Plus, he talked about it in a "different" way, not like most people would review a product. It sounded to us as if he was working for you and marketing it, or he was selling it himself, and since he gave no details, we could not put this information together, thus opinions came into play.
 
Scottwax: Our site is being built as we speak. Our old site was an information site only. Our new site is being created so the customer can purchase online aswell. One thing I forgot to address was the mention of opening a retail store. We are opening a retail store. Things keep getting pushed back because this is our busy time. The site will be up and running within a few weeks we hope.



The Crew @416
 
Fair enough, but I don't think the Mods did anything wrong. Clinton just made himself sound like a spammer more than anything else.
 
If the following comments are non-biased and professional than I'm sorry my judment is so off-kilter. These moderators are here to sort out and help out the members not bash and judge. To judge without research first ???? I have wasted enough time on the Moderators. Their actions and comments speak for themselves.





I use it all the time. I'm shocked nobody has ever heard of it!



This secretly engineered synthetic polymer, carnauba, selant nano technological "wunder" wax protects for 18 months as it forms an invisible, micro thermal shell, that acts as a negative ion charge, repelling all forms of contaminate damage, providing lasting UV protection.



Why are you guys always so skeptical? I don't get it.



















BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Thanks, Seth... you made me snarf my coffee all over my screen!

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Or showing how proffesional he is with making a BS icon.





Hey Prinz,



I think we need an official Autopia "This is BS!" smilie.



The hype has got to go. It's getting old.

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I have been proud to be a member of this community, however when I read the comments after Clintons post I felt a number of things. They were anger, disbelief and I was ashamed of people whom I had come to respect for their knowledge and insights.



This sort of behaviour I would expect from some other sites but isn't this supposed to be the cream of the crop? If this makes me unpopular then so be it but I certainly don't have a very high opinion of how some people act. I think apologies are in order.



Let's all grow up people.



Paul :nomore:
 
Something that claims to protect for 18 months is just wreaking with disbelief! If we can get our hands on some one way or another and try it out we can see how it stacks up.
 
I dunno, I think I'm pretty even handed about things, and I don't see that anyone did anything that could be described as bashing. Autopia is a "knowledge" site, but forums are a social construct and consist of people interacting with each other in a "club" atmosphere. You will get people of all ages, from all walks of life and from many different cultures and countries. There are always going to be not one but TWO sets of rules.



The first will be the "Autopia Rules" as set down by DavidB. These will be the equivalent of laws in society: don't steal, don't murder, etc. The second are the unwritten rules of what works or what doesn't work within this group of people: the equivalent of "don't tell dirty jokes at afternoon women's tea".



The forum DOESN'T PAY ATTENTION TO anything other than the content posted, the quality and value of the ideas and how they are expressed. The UPSIDE to this is that we have quite a few respected members who aren't old enough to drive; age isn't a requirement to play here. The DOWNSIDE is that a person who misses the point when contributing (perhaps by writing a review that consists of pure adulation and is full of misspellings and poor grammar, with no pictures and an excuse about a camera phone; such a review contributes nothing to the general database) runs the risk of being ridiculed.



Ridicule is not the same as bashing. Ridicule is the forum's way of self-correcting a member into playing within the group's unwritten rules. It's the equivalent of correcting social faux pas with humor. If the target member can figure out what's going on and takes the ribbing, he/she tries again. If the target member can't get the point, he/she moves on. Not much else to it.





Tom
 
Mosca said:
Ridicule is not the same as bashing. Ridicule is the forum's way of self-correcting a member into playing within the group's unwritten rules.
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Humour is a difficult thing to convey in brief text (even with smilies). Ridiculing with humour to correct an individual is best left to person to person exchanges. Even then its generally fraught with danger.



We don't want to distress one whom we're trying to assist. How about simply explaining to a member how one plays by the unwritten rules and the consequences of ignoring them. :)
 
There is a natural and normal way for new products and businesses to be announced and "other ways". This community is accepting of the natural and normal.



When products come out of nowhere and people make outrageous claims, we [the community] are skeptical. We get barraged with spam and product hype, so we’re bound to be skeptics. We can also be a new product’s best friend.



We expect all members to follow the simple guidelines of the community. If you are a manufacturer and you have an announcement to make about a new product or product development, the “Ask the Manufacturer� forum is the place to do it. In an effort to keep commercial content out of the forums, you (a manufacturer) are not allowed to discuss your own product in the forums. You may, however, join and start other conversations.



So, I guess I owe Clinton that public apology. Sorry Clinton!



Now, “The crew @ 416�, if you’d care to stop casting insults and dropping product hype, you might find this an enjoyable place to visit. If not, you’ll find our rules applied to you very swiftly.



Cheers,

The Low Class Moderator
 
Tom, as I am new to this site I really read what you wrote. I am not familiar with the way things work in a forum. Normally it is not par for the course to keep someone within the "unwritten" ( Your version of "unwritten") rules via ridicule. But if thats the way it works than I can follow. I do understand what you wrote. A little ribbing to get your point across is easy and less painfull to the person who is being " self-correcting". In the spirit of fitting in at autopia how does a group self-correct someone? Would it not mean that to self-correct would be to fix the problem on his or her own? Maybe the group could have just corrected them via ridicule....LMAO. You touched on Clinton's missspellings and poor grammar. Have you read your post? You should see if Clinton has time to proof read your content before you make another one. If CAPITAL LETTERS were living beings and had a way of writting back to you, I would imagine they would please ask you to stop the abuse. This ridicule thing is great. Kidding aside, this post was not made to start a debate about the moderators. Or to get into "Ridicule" between ourselves. It was to answer a few questions that were asked. I think we have wasted enough of other peoples time with the back and forth comments. Let us stick to the topic at hand.



The Crew @ 416
 
416 Auto,



I did notice the "self correcting" and thought about editing it, but decided that since it was vernacular writing and not formal that it was ok to leave "self correcting", much in the same way one might leave "irrespective". The point would get made either way. If you think about it, it is fine to say "the group's way of self-correcting" if you consider the phrase "self-correcting" as a single idea; "autocorrecting".



Regardless. You are now acting as a troll. You are arguing for argument's sake. I shall no longer address you. Good day.





Tom
 
Alfisti said:
Humour is a difficult thing to convey in brief text (even with smilies). Ridiculing with humour to correct an individual is best left to person to person exchanges. Even then its generally fraught with danger.



We don't want to distress one whom we're trying to assist. How about simply explaining to a member how one plays by the unwritten rules and the consequences of ignoring them. :)
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Understood and agreed, but the group consists of multiple personalities and some will act one way and others another. Writing ex post facto about why a group does things is different from saying what it/they should do.





Tom
 
Now, “The crew @ 416�, if you’d care to stop casting insults and dropping product hype, you might find this an enjoyable place to visit. If not, you’ll find our rules applied to you very swiftly.



Cheers,

The Low Class Moderator

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David I wrote the reply to Tom before yours was posted. After reading your post I would not have taken the time to comment on his post. Just to clear the air so we can let sleeping dogs sleep. I don't remember casting insults. I was just stating my opion on the moderators actions. As far as product hype I challange you to find something that I not Clinton wrote that dispalys this. All that out of the way I think this will be a great site to be a member of. There is alot of valuable information and a ton of car nuts like me. How can I go wrong. Thanks for taking the time and for allowing me to voice my side of the story.



Thanks,

The Crew @ 416
 
Tom, I agree. I had had my back up. I created a reply as David was posting his, and I posted before I had the chance to read his. I would have not wrote as much as I did. As you said a little ribbing is in fun. I was arguing just to do it. Sorry for wasting you time.



The Crew @ 416
 
since i dont feel that every business needs a website to be successful, maybe you could show pictures of your product line, and what it looks like on a car. the problem is that in trying to entice forum "heads" to your product without a website (we are web savvy people) gives us no incentive to try it out. We arent reading this out of the back of Hot-Rod or Truckin', its online, we want to see stuff online.
 
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