Need Help: 3M, Menzerna, or Einszett

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Volvolove

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Hello Everyone



First off ... let me state my purpose: to achieve the best results BY HAND in removing swirls on my car without leaving oils/fillers/etc. to cover up the swirls



i have a '93 Volvo 850 that's not in too bad contition. I'm 16 and i've had her for almost a year now ... and i'm meticulous about keeping it spotless (for a volvo ... i'm no porsche owner ... yet). Right now my repetoire consists of various car washes and Mother's clay, meg's base line polish, and my new fav. thing ... S100. So obviously, i want to pick up some polishes to work out the swirls. My question is this: which brand will help me achieve this with adequite cutting power but doesn't have fillers. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Menzerna free of them since it's water-based? and what about 3M's Fine Cut or the PIII Compound and their machine glaze? do they contain fillers? i'm also curious about 1Z because i've read good stuff on here about that



any help from anyone?



thanks



alex
 
I have products from all three lines and so far I'm most impressed with 1z. It seems great for use by hand. To the best of my knowledge all but the 1z contain no fillers. No biggie for me, when I use 1z, I just wipe with an alcohol mix to remove the wax/fillers. I highly recommed 1z. :up
 
I use 3M perfect it III Rubbing Compound and Machine Glaze. They both work great by hand and PC. No fillers either. Haven't tried Menzerna yet but I am going to order Final Polish for my spring detail. No fillers in this either.
 
Not to introduce another product but Poorboy's line of SSR give great results by hand! SSR2 is great!
 
if some of these are close in results and lack of fillers vs. strength, can i factor in how easy i can get my hands on some of these? i know for sure where i can get most of the 3M stuff but the other's i'd have to order ... are they close enough to use what i can get my hands on? or for example, does Menzerna outway how easy 3m is to obtain?
 
I vote Einszett. From everything I hear, Menzerna polishes by hand would be a bear, wouldn't they. My understanding was if using a rotary, Menzerna was better, if by hand or random orbital, Einszett was a better choice.



But I have a question. Why no fillers?



You are 16 and doing this by hand, there is no real way you will get out scratches and real swirls by hand. Why not let technology help you out a little?
 
i see your point ... i just hate spending a day doing my car and then having everything come back in a few days ... swirls may be hidden for a while, but after the paint is sealed in, they reappear under my wax ...



i also know that i'm not going to be able to get swirls out in my mind, covering them over for a little while is not the solution. many of the products i'm interested in are the same ones used in conjunction with a PC which can effectively, remove some, maybe not all, swirls. I'm just wondring what products are strong enough to produce REAL results but are also possible, not necessarliy easy, to use by Hand



so hopefully that will answer your question ... i want something sans fillers that used high-quality abrasives, not fancy fillers to get results ... maybe not perfection, but progression ...



alex
 
SamIam --



can you give me an idea of which Paint Polish would be better after the Ultra ... the Metallic or the Regular ... differences? my car is a dark burgundy color ... roughly 10 years old
 
SamIam said:
I vote Einszett. From everything I hear, Menzerna polishes by hand would be a bear, wouldn't they. My understanding was if using a rotary, Menzerna was better, if by hand or random orbital, Einszett was a better choice.
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I totally agree. Menzerna did nothing for me when used by hand and I got minimal results by PC. Seems to me it would do better by rotary? Now that I have the Audi, maybe it works better on Audi paint?
 
I have all three of those polishes on the shelf and I'd vote for the 1Z stuff, too. I've done 850s and they aren't exactly small vehicles. The 1Z stuff is THAT much easier to use, it'd be my choice hands-down.



The "fillers" in 1Z polishes are really more like waxes. They don't just go away after a few weeks, causing marring to reappear. The 1Z abrasives DO remove marring, just like the other polishes, but they do it with less effort.



After the Ultra, use the Paint Polish. Too big a jump between Ultra and Metallic, at least by hand.



Bill D- Check your logic there ;) Audi paint is HARDER, right? (hint hint) Depends what you're trying to accomplish, but, well, see my point? If it didn't work on other, presumably softer, paint....



Heh heh, when Audi owners find a combo they like, IMO they should probably stick with it. In all my years of doing Audis, nothing EVER gave me the results I get with 1Z polishes. Though 3M stuff came close (with more work).
 
I'm glad this was posted, as I was about to post along the same guideline - removing swirls by hand without fillers.



I know the pc is the best way to do this, but as the thread starter posted, some of of are younger and can't afford to spend this much money at this point in time.



I'm currently using #82 and it isn't strong enough. Plus it seems to have fillers, as two weeks later all the swirls are back.



How hard is 1z ultra to use by hand? I'm debating about either using ultra or the paint polish, any suggestions?



About the poorboy's polishes? I'm really interested in these products. Are these filler free? If so, what would be something comparable to 1z ultra polish or paint polish? Remember, this will be done by hand.



Also, what about colorx and scratchx? Do these products contain fillers? I know colorx is more or less a one step product, but I have seen great results with it. Any advice would be greatly helpful and appreciated, thanks and take care.



Vik
 
Interspy24- I can only comment on the 1Z stuff and 3M and Meg's #80. All I've used by hand (at least enough to really know what I'm talking about).



The Meg's #80 is stronger than the #82. It might be a good next step.



The Ultra works easily enough by hand, but you MUST follow up with PP. I dunno if PP by itself will be strong enough for YOUR paint.
 
Accumulator, right on! I agree that once you find something that works, stick with it. I used 3MRC and SMR for DC and was wowed when I used the 1Z products.



The ultra needs to be followed up with the Paint Polish. The Metallic isn't very strong as far as polish, but it will give you a great shine. If you top the PP with the Glanz wax, it will be sealed and the swirls won't reappear. However, even if you use carnuba, I wouldn't expect the swirls to reappear after a week.



Here is a Celica i used the product on.
 
SamIam said:
...If you top the PP with the Glanz wax, it will be sealed and the swirls won't reappear. However, even if you use carnuba, I wouldn't expect the swirls to reappear after a week.



Here is a Celica i used the product on.
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IMO, even if you didn't top the 1z polish with ANYTHING, the swirls wouldn't reappear in a week! The waxes in the 1Z stuff aren't bad, for what they are.



Topping 1Z with Meg's #16 lasts quite a while.



Nice job on the Celica, BTW.
 
Accumulator said:
Bill D- Check your logic there ;) Audi paint is HARDER, right? (hint hint) Depends what you're trying to accomplish, but, well, see my point? If it didn't work on other, presumably softer, paint....
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:o Yep, you got me. It seems like I'm doing with two cars with hard paint , the white cc '89 Deville too. I'm definitely going to try all three of the 1z polishes on it soon. I'm hoping this is the winning formula for both cars
 
Accumulator, your response was very helful. Looks like I'll probably be ordering some ultra polish and paint polish. Should I apply with pads or use a folded terry clotch? Could I maybe use sec on top for a final polish? I'll be using a sealant on top of all this, probably nxt. This should be just fine correct? I might try out some poorboy's or something else, what sealant would you use? Again, your responses are greatly appreciated.



Anyone have experince with poorboys's polishes and/or scratchx and colorx? Thanks again.
 
Bill D- Re the Caddy, it's funny about white paint. Even when it's clearcoated, whites are sometimes still especially hard :nixweiss



The 1z stuff doens't work miracles (at least without a rotary), but it's sure worth a try!



If the DeVille is original paint, watch how much clear you cut off. GM wasn't exactly generous with their earlier clearcoats.



BTW, I *really* like those cars. Heh heh, let's see...put on some Caprice wagon rear springs, some Impala SS front springs from Global West, different control arm bushings, Koni shocks, a Caprice cop car steering box from Tom Lee, aftermarket anti-sway bars....I'm nuts, huh :o



Interspy24- I wouldn't use the GEPC/SEC over the PP myself. I sorta like the wax that the PP leaves behind. For the same reason, I wouldn't top it with something containing cleaners (such as the NXT, they're mild, but they're in there). IF you want to use a final/finer polish, get the 1Z Metallic. That's what *I* use for my last step on the S8 (after PP). It leaves behind even BETTER waxes, BTW. I top that with UPP (the sealant formerly known as Platinum), but plenty of people like 1Z's Glanz wax, too.



*I* apply my polishes with foam, but others like the terry. I guess you should try them both and see which one you prefer.
 
I don't think you'll need the SEC after the Paint Polish, especially if you are going to use NXT. I don't think the SEC will add much. I would probably suggest using the Metallic polish instead, as it performs a similar function, and after using both products, I like it better.



But then again, to each his own.



Sam
 
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