Need advice on product combinations for different colors (big detailing days soon)

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1andrews

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I am part of a subaru club and am hosting some detailing days, the money going into surgery for my dog (somewhat the clubs mascot).





I really want to make everyones car shine their best. What products would you guys suggest for each color (assuming good prep).



Colors I will be dealing with:



World rally Blue

Platinum silver metallic

java black (gold fleck)

and a new subaru color (sort of a champagne, darker silver). crystal grey metallic

white















Products at my current disposal:



AIO and SG

Zaino glaze (z6 i think? haven't used it in a while)

P21S

mothers cleaner wax

NXT





menzerna IP and FP

PC with pads (yellow, white and black)

DACP
 
My current plan, please let me know what everyone thinks:







silver and the light metallics: prep, AIO, and top with either SG or p21s (or would Z be better on silver?)



White: same as silver?





black: prep, AIO, wolfgang





blue: not sure, probably same plan as black?









how does wolfgang and FMJ top on AIO? Are they significantly different from SG/p21s such that I should buy one?
 
I always found Subie clear to be sorta hard, and IMO you might end up spending a lot of time on prep. I'd watch that it doesn't make the whole thing too huge of a job.



If *I* were doing it under the circumstances you described, I think I'd use a polish that both corrects and hides (Meg's #80 comes to mind) and a LSP that looks OK, lasts a long time, and beads great (so people feel they got something good for their money)- I'd probably go over the #80 with something from Collinite. This is the best/easiest bang-for-the-buck approach I can think of. You could always tweak this approach for special (really good/bad condition) cars.



Sorry, I realize that you don't have either #80 or Collinite on hand. Products that work easy, give decent (maybe not Autopian-level) results are good for stuff like this though. And people like to see beads for a long time, "sheeting" doesn't impress most people. Make everybody happy without killing yourself- it's all about helping the dog.



Trouble with the Klasse twins (and Zaino) is that they only look their best with great prep. And IMO they're just not quick and easy enough for this. P21S is easy enough (and might look OK over AIO on the less-marred cars), but it doesn't last all that long.



I'd just use the same stuff on all the different colors, but again, you can tweak the plan for certain cars.



Hope the project goes well, and best wishes to your dog.
 
I'd go AIO -> carnuba on all of them. Consider adding RMG to your plan instead of AIO, it adds a wetness and gloss thats hard to get with AIO. I'd avoid SG, due to time concerns. If you want to use a sealant, use PB's EX or UPP or FK #2180, as they are easier to use and give similar results. These would be my combos:



Silver/white: Polish -> 2180

Black/blue -> Polish -> VM -> RMG -> Souveran (you can substitute P21S)
 
I think I do have #80, I will have to check and see though.





Thank you for the advice, it is taken to heart. Maybe I could use #80, then NXT on the dark cars. Is there a wax you recommend that can be purchased at one of the big online stores (pinnacle, autoglyme, sonus...etc)?





What about the cars that are a few months off the line, do you think the prep would still take too long?
 
emobob said:
.. Maybe I could use #80, then NXT on the dark cars. Is there a wax you recommend that can be purchased at one of the big online stores (pinnacle, autoglyme, sonus...etc)?
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Well, you could order from Collinite Sorry, don't mean to beat you over the head with that idea :D The problem with many "boutique" waxes is that they don't last all that long. People like to think they got long lasting protection. Autoglym SRP topped with #16/Collinite is a combo I used to use on cars I did for family and friends, where I was looking for results similar to what I think you're after. The SRP is a better for imperfect finishes than AIO (at least IMO). But it'd clean off the stuff that #80 leaves behind so I dunno if I'd use both those products on the same car. Maybe use the SRP on cars that don't really need polishing. It *is* very user friendly, especially by PC (use a polishing pad, speed around 4).



What about the cars that are a few months off the line, do you think the prep would still take too long?
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On these, maybe a quick polish or even just the SRP with a topper. Depends what they've gone through in those "few months" ;) But I can imagine a white car looking fine with just SRP/wax.
 
I drive a WRB WRX, and NXT really gives it a metallic pop. I think it looks very nice, but it's definitely a more "synthetic" looking bright candy-like shine, rather than a "warm" carnuba shine. NXT's pretty easy to work with too, which can't hurt.
 
Just found collonite on pakshaks website. I'd like to try and get my order from one place if possible (need a new pad or two, some QD, and a new wash mitt).





No idea which collonite to get. 915, 845, 885, and 476 ???







So this is basically the steps you would take for an average condition car that was just a quick job:



wash

#80 with a white pad

Followed by collinite by hand







I'm only charging 30 for my wash/wax, so I have to agree with you. I want simple, fast, but a good shine.







Thanks forcefed! Good info, especially since I already have a bottle of nxt!
 
emobob said:
Just found collonite on pakshaks website. I'd like to try and get my order from one place if possible (need a new pad or two, some QD, and a new wash mitt).





No idea which collonite to get. 915, 845, 885, and 476 ???







So this is basically the steps you would take for an average condition car that was just a quick job:



wash

#80 with a white pad

Followed by collinite by hand







I'm only charging 30 for my wash/wax, so I have to agree with you. I want simple, fast, but a good shine.







Thanks forcefed! Good info, especially since I already have a bottle of nxt!
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Nice to see a fellow WRX owner. :bigups



I have a San Remo Red WRX (not on your list) but thought I'd give you some info. I've used AIO, EX, #16 and NXT on my car so far. The NXT seemed to give it the best "look". I don't know if it was the most durable but IMO it has given it the best shine and pop.



Are you on nasioc or clubwrx?



Best wishes for your dog.
 
Thanks for the wellwishing and advice. I'm on nasioc, big poster in the MAIC under lotusdrift. San remo red is very rare, as is any red on a subaru! count your blessings:D





This is the first time I have ever looked into a more 'realistic' or practical way to obtain a nice shine, and I feel like a total noob learning about these products. I really appreciate the help and the prod away from the botique sealants for this application.





This is my current sketched plan, and I have no idea how to tailor it for colors of if there are better products in each category.



1. goldclass wash

2(a). #80 with a white pad

2(b)will following 80 with clearkote RMG help any or are they basically the same product? Is one preferable over the other?



3. A long lasting, simple to use carnuba, collonite 915? Maybe substitute NXT for the dark colors?



4. Will I gain anything topping collonite with souveran, for those special cases (one or two of them I really need to make POP -- they are donating a lot of extra money).







I have literally not used a single one of these products, so please guide me...I am researching as best I can but need to make my order tonight to get it in time for the first day.
 
emobob- I forget what the different Collinite numbers stand for :o but I use the 476S paste. Many people like the 845 Insulator Wax. I'd skip the Marque de Elegance as the guys at Collinite said it's no better than the 476S.



I did get a subtle improvement when I topped the 476S with Souveran using the spit-shine method.



You could use NXT or some combo of products on the "special" cars, but IMO most people will be more impressed with an extra few weeks of beading than they will by any subtle difference in the shine (most people just don't see the stuff we obsess over ;) ).



I dunno if following #80 with RMG will help or not, but I suspect that it might help fill stuff *a little*. The #80 is mildly abrasive (work it until it changes from brown/olive to clear) but IIRC the RMG is nonabrasive. So they're different in that regard.
 
I already have #9 not 80. Do you think there is a difference between the two, they are marketed is light-medium cut polishes, with fillers (and 80 is also marketed as a glaze).



Since I am getting RMG, it would probably be fine to just use #9 followed with RMG if required..?







Also, will I see a huge difference between 80 + NXT vs 80 + AIO + souveran on a light-medium blue. I personally own a deep black vehicle so I wouldn't mind buying the souveran if it will really make the blue pop, otherwise I will stick with 80 + nxt.





scottwax on dark/metallic blues:

My favorite would be NXT. If I could pick only one color to use NXT on it would be medium to deep metallic blues.



#9 with a polishing pad, NXT with a finishing pad.
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emobob said:
I already have #9 not 80. Do you think there is a difference between the two, they are marketed is light-medium cut polishes, with fillers (and 80 is also marketed as a glaze).



Since I am getting RMG, it would probably be fine to just use #9 followed with RMG if required..
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They call #80 a "glaze" but IMO it's really an abrasive polish with a lot of oils. I find it *much* better than #9- more effective and easier to work. I question the two products being the same abrasiveness, they sure seem different to me! I never even bothered to *try* #9 on my WRX, I reached for something stronger for *any* polishing. I probably sound like a hard-sell on this, just as I did with the Collinite, but really, the two products don't compare in my book. Sheesh, I must sound pretty stubborn on this thread :D but I'm *that* confident that you'll appreciate the difference between these two products.



Really don't know about NXT or using AIO after #80, sorry. I always value ScottWax's opinions, but I also bear in mind that he does such good work that you gotta factor in the human element to a *great* extent ;)
 
After much debate and research I went with pretty much exactly what you recommended (I couldn't ignore all your friendly advice!)





Collinite #845 Liquid Insulator Wax 1 pint

ClearKote Red Moose Machine Glaze Pint

Meguiar's Speed Glaze #80

Poorboys Spray & Gloss





Can't wait to post the results, should be interesting for sure! Thanks!







For the cars in good condtion I am thinking RMG with a polish pad, followed by IW by hand.







For the cars in 'bad' condition I am having trouble bring it down to 3 steps.

considering hitting the scratches with DACP

Then #80 (will this take out the marring from DACP/cutting pad ?)

Then 845





What do you think of that plan of attack?
 
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