My Best SG Application Procedure Yet!

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Mikeman

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I think introducing water or QD into the SG process cannot be a good thing. I also think "wipe on-wipe off" probably affects durability to some extent. Well, I FINALLY figured out a way to apply and remove SG easily WITHOUT introducing water or QD into the process, or going with WOWO. I'm not sure why the following procedure works so well; but I'm sticking with it. The SG wipes off VERY easily.



1) AIO the vehicle, leaving it on the paint for 45 minutes after you finish the last panel. Wipe off using a little distilled water to make removal easy.



2) Spray SG onto a Sonus microfiber applicator. Work the SG into a 2x2 section using circular motions and moderate pressure. I think this is the key; but I'm not sure.



3) After the whole vehicle has been done, begin removing the SG in the same order it was applied. The stuff wiped right off with a dry Sonus polishing towel! It was easier than removing the dried AIO with water. In fact, it wiped off easier than anything I've ever tried to wipe off. Really!



I'm hoping wipe off of the second layer will go as well. The difference will be that the second layer is over SG, not AIO. I'm going to wait a week to do the next layer because I'm using some pressure to work in the SG. I want that first coat to be well cured before I start rubbing on the paint again.



Hopefully, someone will find this SG technique useful.



Mikeman out.
 
hmm, I don't have any Sonus applicators laying around, but I imagine it doesn't make much difference. I guess I dont really see how your process makes it any easier but I'll give it a shot.
 
Never had a problem removing AIO. Learn on this forum a long time ago to put SG in a small sprayer and mist a mf pad. I have done SGx3 without any problems.

Normally with "I" have found is that if a product is hard to remove the prep wasnt right..ie..nice clean paint.
 
I think any applicator with a tight low nap would work well. Sonus polishing towels, the buffing bonnets, and applicator all have this same nap.



I used 1 oz of SG on a Camry.



I think massaging the SG into the paint is the key. The effect is that of applying a very thin layer, without really worrying about using too much. I just gave the pad a few squirts for each new section. Rubbing the SG into the paint does require a bit of effort....more like doing a thorough AIO job; but removal was quick and easy. Once you've applied the SG, you've done 80% of the work.
 
COBRyan said:
hmm, I don't have any Sonus applicators laying around, but I imagine it doesn't make much difference. I guess I dont really see how your process makes it any easier but I'll give it a shot.
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The only thing made easier by my process is product removal. The total workload is probably the same. What I like is that I am no longer diluting my SG with water or QD, AND I'm letting it sit on the paint for awhile.



Mikeman out.
 
3Dog said:
Never had a problem removing AIO. Learn on this forum a long time ago to put SG in a small sprayer and mist a mf pad. I have done SGx3 without any problems.

Normally with "I" have found is that if a product is hard to remove the prep wasnt right..ie..nice clean paint.
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I've found that AIO can be less than easy to wipe off if applied a little on the heavy side and allowed to dry. A few squirts of distilled water on the panel or the towel is all it takes to get it off easily. I don't worry about diluting AIO with water because the directions specify a damp applicator anyway. SG is different animal.



Mikeman out.
 
I also have found SG easy to apply and remove. I put it in a sprayer and spray it on the MF applicator, apply thin in circular motion then remove after doing the whole vehicle. I use about 100 parts water and 1 part SG to remove my final layer. Still holding up great after about a month of constantly outside and at a steel mill for work days. Really liking the look too.
 
Pontman43,



So you're removing SG with a highly diluted SG solution? Interesting....



I'm not sure introducing water and/or QD into the SG process is a bad thing. Doing so may not hurt durability at all; but I don't think it can be a GOOD thing to do. At best, it has no effect on the SG.
 
Mikeman said:
Pontman43,



So you're removing SG with a highly diluted SG solution? Interesting....



I'm not sure introducing water and/or QD into the SG process is a bad thing. Doing so may not hurt durability at all; but I don't think it can be a GOOD thing to do. At best, it has no effect on the SG.
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Thats why I do it on the last layer.
 
Mikeman said:
I've found that AIO can be less than easy to wipe off if applied a little on the heavy side and allowed to dry. A few squirts of distilled water on the panel or the towel is all it takes to get it off easily. I don't worry about diluting AIO with water because the directions specify a damp applicator anyway. SG is different animal.



Mikeman out.
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Iapply AIO using Megs Even Coat applicator and then wipe it right off, with a dry MF.The directions say you don't have to lett it dry, and it's very easy to remove. I have sometimes lett it dry, and it's much harder to remove.
 
I have had times where SG was a real PITA to get off. It leaves sort of a marbled look on the paint and I needed to use QD or fog the paint up with my breath to remove. However, I have had times that it just wipes off fine. In these cases, it rubs/crumbled off as if the acrylic has become a bit tacky. I'm not sure in these cases it has fully hazed. In these cases I have no idea what I did differently. I think I did work it into the paint a bit and that made the difference.



So far the Jeffs Werkstatt method of applying Acrylic Jett is pretty easy (spray bottle). I do notice that in order to spread the product afte spraying, you are required to wipe it around with your MF towel or MF applicator. Wipes off pretty easily.



I have heard elsewhere that introducing water into the SG system before it has cured will significantly reduce durability, but not sure if it's true.



- J
 
So let me get this straight. You all are simply transferring the SG into a spray bottle, and spraying it undilluted onto a MF pad?
 
BlackSunshine said:
So let me get this straight. You all are simply transferring the SG into a spray bottle, and spraying it undilluted onto a MF pad?
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Yes, get a fine misting spray bottle. SG is thin enough to be sprayed without adding water, etc.
 
Mark77 said:
Iapply AIO using Megs Even Coat applicator and then wipe it right off, with a dry MF.The directions say you don't have to lett it dry, and it's very easy to remove. I have sometimes lett it dry, and it's much harder to remove.
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I agree. It seems easier to remove if you do it right away. One panel at a time.
 
I'm thinking that AIO might offer more durable protection if left on the paint for 45 minutes or so. I base this on a post awhile back by David B which said as much; AND directions for Jeff's Werkstatt Prime (a very similar product) says to leave it on the paint for 30 minutes. I figure it can't hurt to leave the AIO on for awhile. I just need a little water to get it off easily.
 
You could do what I do with the AIO which is a variant from this thread

Jimwh Klasse Instructions

I Put a first coat on with my PC + blue Sonus pad and then hand apply to difficult to reach areas. I work the entire car and then let it sit for 30 minutes(It takes me about 30 minutes to apply to the entire car so it actually site for 1 hour) while I do some interior detail. Then I put a second coat on with the PC again without wiping off the first. I then let the second coat sit for another 30 minutes and buffe out with the PC anf MF bonnet I just hit the MF bonnet with some QD to get it started and have no problem getting the AIO off.



Top with 3 x SG (using MF bonnet to apply and Concurs bonnetto remove)/Top with ps21/S100 and bamm... :har:
 
Mikeman said:
I'm thinking that AIO might offer more durable protection if left on the paint for 45 minutes or so. I base this on a post awhile back by David B which said as much; AND directions for Jeff's Werkstatt Prime (a very similar product) says to leave it on the paint for 30 minutes. I figure it can't hurt to leave the AIO on for awhile. I just need a little water to get it off easily.
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Yes. Carlack suggests that the product is 80% cured within 1 hour.



- J
 
Maybe i'm crazy but... according to Bob Faragasso, President of Klasse USA, he says to let the SG sit on the car overnight. He says the longer you let it dry the easier it will come off.



Klasse Interview



He also says to wait 8 hours between coats of SG. That gives it it's proper time to cure. Otherwise your not really layering it.
 
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