Most powerful swirl removal combo w. a PC?

martinager said:
Honestly I dont trust teh PC to break down HTEC very well. Any other words on this ?
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The 4" pad makes all the difference and makes the PC about the same as the Cyclo. I saw no evidence of problems (noting that I was working on pewter metallic, but I*am* pretty good at spotting issues on that type of paint).



Adding the 1Z Ultra/Extra greatly increases the work time and that might be a huge factor even with the PC not generating the heat of a rotary. Note that the Cyclo doesn't generate any real heat either and you can definitely use the EC+ [something with long work time] mix with the Cyclo (plenty of people are doing it).
 
Just a comment on generating heat with a PC, I find I have to be careful with 4' pads even 6.5' orange pads as they tend to generate a lot of heat when moving slow with a good amount of pressure. Now I haven't used a rotary yet so I don't know how much heat they create, but the heat from the PC with slow passes with pressure makes the surface very hot to the touch if I'm not careful. I don't think you would want to make the paint any hotter than that, would you?
 
On single stage red paint (ten year old Wisconsin Toyota Celica) with an orange Propel Pad, there is no comparison between Meg's DACP and Optimum Hyper Compound with a PC.



The DACP removed more swirls and more paint on one pass when I did back to back tests. Even with several passes with each product, DACP was the clear winner.



Interestingly, when I add Optimum Polish to the Hyper Compound, it seemed to work better. Maybe the combination broke down quicker, I don't know. Maybe if I worked OHC longer, it might have worked as good as DACP, but the object was to do the car as quick as possible with the best results, and DACP appeared to be the best product on this day, which surprised the hell out of me. I hadn't used DACP, in about 3 or 4 months as it is a PITA and it still is.



DACP still gummed up on me at times, but for me it worked best when I went at speed 5 like Phillips recommends. When I went to speed 6 it appeared to gum up really quick.



I sure like Optimum polishes, but on this severely neglected single stage red paint, I had no choice but to use DACP. Sure wished I had my rotary that day. To do a whole car with a 4" pad, just seems impractical, but maybe I will try that some day. But a rotary seems a better option now.
 
DSVWGLI said:
Just a comment on generating heat with a PC, I find I have to be careful with 4' pads even 6.5' orange pads as they tend to generate a lot of heat when moving slow with a good amount of pressure. ..
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I bet you and I are using slightly different techniques (pressure, speed, etc.), but that's the way this stuff works...people don't always do stuff the same way.



When you *think* it's getting a bit hot, then it probably is and it pays to be careful :xyxthumbs



While I didn't really *burn* the paint, remember that I did some damage with the PC and a 4" pad.
 
[quote name='Accumulator']I bet you and I are using slightly different techniques (pressure, speed, etc.), but that's the way this stuff works...people don't always do stuff the same way.



You maybe right, I just find I get a lot better results that way. Heat sure seems to help the process, you just have to be careful. I'm going to get a rotary this fall and practice with it, maybe I will use that for the bad ones next year.
 
Hmm...when I was doing my heavy pressure OHC/6.5" cutting pad, the paint was getting surprisingly warm. Didn't seem dangerously warm, just surprised me.
 
Setec Astronomy- Heh heh, I can't help but think something like "heavy pressure with a PC/6.5" pad sounds like an oxymoron..", you know, due to the tendency to bog down.
 
G35stilez said:
Hi-Temp Extreme Cut / Optimum Car Polish (50/50)

Yellow Lake Country Cutting Pad

Speed 6
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any pictures of results? how much oz to mix with how much oz ? like a bottle half and half ? also what optimum?



thanks!
 
Accumulator said:
Setec Astronomy- Heh heh, I can't help but think something like "heavy pressure with a PC/6.5" pad sounds like an oxymoron..", you know, due to the tendency to bog down.
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It was a little weird, perhaps due to the large lubricating properties of the Optimum polishes, it really didn't seem to bog down as much as usual...unless I was just delerious or so tired I wasn't pressing as hard as it seemed.
 
martinager said:
any pictures of results? how much oz to mix with how much oz ? like a bottle half and half ? also what optimum?



thanks!
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I would suggest you just put dots or a line of each on your pad rather than mixing them into a bottle together.
 
I've heard a lot of people mention OHC + OP mix, but will OHC + SSR1 work? I have a full bottle of ssr1 and I'd rather not go and buy OP if SSR1 will work.
 
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