Most innovative brand?

I must agree on the Optimum product line! PoliSeal leaves a very nice, slick finish and is super easy to use (and affordable!). ONR has a ton of uses. I just tried OID for the first time the other day, and was blown away by the finish it leaves. Use it after a wash to wipe down streaks and spots, and it looks like you just spent 10 hours polishing. Highly recommended.



Todd
 
Scottwax said:
It was the worst one (based on trying all three side by side) so being first isn't something to brag about. It has been reformulated at least once, both OS and UPGP are still the original formulas.
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After using both Ver1 of CS and OS. IMO I could not see how OS was any better in looks. OS was applied to a champagne gold camry that Bret and I did as a LSP. I did not notice much a difference in appearance at all:



http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/90082-2005-camry-thoughts-opti-seal.html



So innovation of the technology and continual improvement is nothing to brag about?



IMO OS now being a distant third to the other two WOWO products is clearly nothing to brag about.
 
gmblack3a said:
After using both Ver1 of CS and OS. IMO I could not see how OS was any better in looks. OS was applied to a champagne gold camry that Bret and I did as a LSP. I did not notice much a difference in appearance at all:



http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/90082-2005-camry-thoughts-opti-seal.html





IMO OS now being a distant third to the other two WOWO products is clearly nothing to brag about.
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I used the side by side, along with UPGP. ZCS was CLEARLY a distant 3rd. Not even close. UPGP looked the best upon initial application but after the next wash, OS and UPGP looked very similar, while ZCS continued to lag far behind. Use it if you want, I prefer to put on LSPs that make a noticable improvement in the finish.



Side by side tells you a lot more than just using a product on a car, then a different one on a different car. Should have used it side by side with ZCS. The difference is very obvious.



So innovation of the technology and continual improvement is nothing to brag about?
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...except somehow Sal didn't get it right with ZCS until OS and UPGP were already out?
 
Scottwax said:
I used the side by side, along with UPGP. ZCS was CLEARLY a distant 3rd. Not even close. UPGP looked the best upon initial application but after the next wash, OS and UPGP looked very similar, while ZCS continued to lag far behind. Use it if you want, I prefer to put on LSPs that make a noticable improvement in the finish.



Side by side tells you a lot more than just using a product on a car, then a different one on a different car. Should have used it side by side with ZCS. The difference is very obvious.



...except somehow Sal didn't get it right with ZCS until OS and UPGP were already out?
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Depends on how much help your finish needs. Prep is the key. But that is a different discussion for a different time.



I read about how OS was 3-5 years in the making, funny how it was not released untill after clear seal was out on the market. Somebody had to figure out how to do it (carriers.)



I am not sure how someone is supposed to take your evaluation of a product serious if you are not testing the most recent version of that product. When I have seen you talk about CS in the past, you never mention that you where using an early version of CS when you state your findings.



It would be the same if I said NXT performed poor against product x. Most folks would ask (rightly so) if I tried V2 of NXT.
 
Scottwax said:
It was the worst one (based on trying all three side by side) so being first isn't something to brag about. It has been reformulated at least once, both OS and UPGP are still the original formulas.
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ZCS is an outstanding product. One of the best WOWA products. I have ZCS, OOS, and Ultima. They are all nice in their own regards.



A reformulation is part of what innovation entails. If the reformulation was indeed to make it slicker (I have a bottle of ZCS from when it was first released) thats great that they changed to meet consumer demand.



Optimum released OID in part to make OS slicker after application. I would say their both responding to demand, in albeit different ways.



Because you seem to have a bone to pick with Zaino, do you always complain about ZCS because its the only Zaino product that is similar to an Optimum product? (and yes, I know you use Z5, etc., and no I dont think ZAIO are as similar as ZCS and OOS, IMO)



Also, I dont see how Optimum X is any different then Matrix Micro, Xyliizon, etc. Its just another semi-permanent coating aimed at a particular niche (though it appears it may in part be marketed toward enthusiasts/weekend warriors)



I would say Edge, Ultima, and Optimum are some of the most innovative.
 
gmblack3a said:
I read about how OS was 3-5 years in the making, funny how it was not released untill after clear seal was out on the market. Somebody had to figure out how to do it (carriers.)
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I had what I was told the final product version in my hands before ZCS was out. The product version I got seemed exactly the same.



I am not sure how someone is supposed to take your evaluation of a product serious if you are not testing the most recent version of that product. When I have seen you talk about CS in the past, you never mention that you where using an early version of CS when you state your findings.
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As far as I know, I have the first version. I have heard the new version looks better but streaking is a problem. As good as UPGP and OS are, I see no compelling reason to drop any money on ZCS. I think both Z5 and Z8 add much more to the finish anyway. I'll stick with those two products when I use Zaino.



It would be the same if I said NXT performed poor against product x. Most folks would ask (rightly so) if I tried V2 of NXT.
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I would assume if you simply put NXT you were using the original version. Those using the new version tend to use NXT2 or NXTv2 to denote it.
 
NSXTASY said:
Because you seem to have a bone to pick with Zaino, do you always complain about ZCS because its the only Zaino product that is similar to an Optimum product? (and yes, I know you use Z5, etc.)
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The only bone I have to pick with Zaino is some of the users. I don't always complain (more like mention when the subject comes up) that ZCS did not perform as well for me as OS does. Notice I don't have any problems with Z7 vs Optimum Car Wash Soap because I think they are both equally good.
 
Scottwax said:
The only bone I have to pick with Zaino is some of the users. I don't always complain (more like mention when the subject comes up) that ZCS did not perform as well for me as OS does. Notice I don't have any problems with Z7 vs Optimum Car Wash Soap because I think they are both equally good.
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Fair enough.
 
Scottwax said:
I had what I was told the final product version in my hands before ZCS was out. The product version I got seemed exactly the same.



As far as I know, I have the first version. I have heard the new version looks better but streaking is a problem. As good as UPGP and OS are, I see no compelling reason to drop any money on ZCS. I think both Z5 and Z8 add much more to the finish anyway. I'll stick with those two products when I use Zaino.



I would assume if you simply put NXT you were using the original version. Those using the new version tend to use NXT2 or NXTv2 to denote it.
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For some reason I thought you traded the CS you received away. I am getting old though.... :think:



Streaking is only a problem when too much is used. Pretty much an issue with all of the products in this WOWO catagory. We know how much to use, but some still can't get past over applying. "If I can't see it, how can it be working, ect"



I would think that many would assume you are talking about the latest CS when you refer to it.
 
Okay, next time I will try to be more clear that I have only used the original version. Good enough?



I did end up trading away the ZCS, but I did keep the Z5, Z6, Z8 and Z10. I like those products just fine.
 
Scottwax said:
Okay, next time I will try to be more clear that I have only used the original version. Good enough?



I did end up trading away the ZCS, but I did keep the Z5, Z6, Z8 and Z10. I like those products just fine.
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Fair enough. :bigups
 
rothaus said:
For my it Nature's Style Magic Spray and Wipe and a good wax.





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Cheers

Engelbert
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The vast majority of your posts are nothing but great things about "Nature's Style". What's that I smell? Oh yeah, it's :beware
 
i say Optimum because I can detail a car with out having to wash any microfibers in the washing machine with sealant on them healthier for me and family.



apply OCW with foam applicator thats it.
 
I say Zaino because you get the best of both worlds looks and durability. As we all know looks are subjective , but durablilty is real. I have tested tons of products here in CT where snow , salt and such are a great test . ZCS & Z8 can't be beat . I feel JMO that if Zaino didn't perfect the wowo the other guys would still be working on it. Wasn't one of them being tested for years? ZCS comes out and suddenly everyone finds the answer ! That's what you call inovation !!
 
I think Zaino ranks right up there simply because the rumor is that Sal is constantly tweaking formulas. Many manufactures use the same formula for decades without change. ZCS really is a great product, with the correct technique streaking is an non issue. In fact, if streaking occurs with any Zaino sealant if you let the product alone the streaks will dissapear. It's as if they become optically clear.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Mongo, Bob from Danase has very enthusiastically stated that DWG is *not the same as* EZ Creme Glaze and *not manufactured by* Chemical Guys. I don't see any reason to doubt him.



This rumor keeps popping up constantly like a bad STD. It kinda needs to stop. Bob got a two week time out last time he defended his product. He is understandably frustrated by this.
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I know otherwise. ;)
 
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