wannafbody
wannafbody
also many use AIO or Colorx as a paint cleaner first
Most Durable Sealant?
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imported_memnuts
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Malachi71 said:
Probably because their prep doesn't produce the wetness and depth they desire. Oily additives will produces these desired features and fill-in the appearance gap.
Remember carnuaba is carnuaba and this ingredient is basically the same for all products in this class. The major difference is the appearance additives.
Carnuaba = protection
blkZ28Conv said:
Interesting how that works out, eh? Sealants tend to bead a lot longer and carnaubas seem to protect a little better, albeit at the price of more frequent application. With the cold winter weather making regular applications of carnaubas nearly impossible in some areas, it makes sense to either go with a sealant or a sealant with a carnauba topper.
Intercooled
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I have used PB EX topped with Souveran on my custom black paint (which has won a few best paint trophys). And I have used Zaino. Now, I'm not an expert detailer but I couldn't see any difference between the products. Like blkZ said , a great finish and perfect prep will produce your desired results. I'll be sticking to Zaino for its ease of application, great system, and awesome durability.
Intercooled
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I'm a little confused, I'm not a pro detailer but I have always thought the sealants protected better than carnaubas. I always understood that carnaubas will degrade quickly in sunlight and other atmospheric elements. Carnaubas are more for the finish look, depth and wetness??
imported_memnuts
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Maybe I did not express myself clearly. Would not be the first time. :LOLOL
The statement, carnuaba=protection, was referring to carnuaba's function in a wax's composition.
Though I have no scientific conformation, I would state that both provide excellent initial protection.
I used carnuaba formulations for over 30 years with great success in protecting my vehicles from the ravages of New England weather. Also I waxed very, very often. Young and full of energy and fewer life responsibilities.
Today with less energy, more vehicles and far less time, I choose to use a sealant (Zaino) exclusively for protection and beauty.
Downside to a sealant like Zaino is that it can become boring. The protection and appearance feature are maintained wash after wash. The finish never request a major spruce-up or show signs of decrease protection (beading).
Thank goodness for Z8 to give us something to do between tri-yearly polishing sessions. :woot:
The statement, carnuaba=protection, was referring to carnuaba's function in a wax's composition.
Though I have no scientific conformation, I would state that both provide excellent initial protection.
I used carnuaba formulations for over 30 years with great success in protecting my vehicles from the ravages of New England weather. Also I waxed very, very often. Young and full of energy and fewer life responsibilities.
Today with less energy, more vehicles and far less time, I choose to use a sealant (Zaino) exclusively for protection and beauty.
Downside to a sealant like Zaino is that it can become boring. The protection and appearance feature are maintained wash after wash. The finish never request a major spruce-up or show signs of decrease protection (beading).
Thank goodness for Z8 to give us something to do between tri-yearly polishing sessions. :woot:
wannafbody said:Just because a product doesn't bead water doesn't mean it isn't there. Many resin based products protect longer than they bead water. Again if you can't tell by your eyes that a product is actually on the paint you must be using an inferior looking product.
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wannafbody
wannafbody
Take for example Collinite 845-on my wheels it self cleans better than Duragloss. Collinite also seems rather bulletproof-a 50w50a mixture doesn't eat thru it. Is it the carnauba that protects or another ingredient-I don't know. IMO 845 protects better than a sealant but probably doesn't last quite as long.
wannafbody
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ZaneO said:
maybe you've never used #26 which NOTICABLY darkens paint or Mothers RTC which NOTICABLY adds warmth and brightness to the finish. Collinite 845 adds a slight silver shimmer from certain angles. Tropicare XP adds noticable wetness to a dark finish. A lot of sealants are nearly clear which leads to a sterile look and may be harder to discern. :sign
Intercooled said:
Pure carnauba melts at around 140 degrees but it is blended with other ingredients that have a higher melting point. Just like water boils at 212 degrees (at sea level) but when combined with coolant, the boiling point is higher.
I've had no problems with carnaubas beading all summer in the Dallas area but we don't get acid rain either. The heat alone though, doesn't seem to be a problem. The beading remains good, however the appearance does drop off towards the end of the second month after application.
Where carnaubas seem to protect will is with regards to bird droppings. I maintain my 626 pretty much exclusively with carnaubas and the same when I had my Accord and have yet to have the paint damaged by bird droppings-and believe me, with all the grackles in the Dallas area, my car gets hit regularly. It isn't that what birds eat in this area don't cause etching on paint because they do and a see it often on random cars in parking lots and on new customer's cars. Better than sealants? :nixweiss I just know that for me, carnaubas have offered excellent protection against bird bombs. OCW topped with Zaino Z8 seems to be pretty good too.
Intercooled
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Thanks Scott, good explaination. It seemed my Soveran degraded pretty quickly when I used it. maybe got 6 weeks out of it. It looked fantastic before the first wash then went down hill from there.
Theres always going to be the battle between carnaubas and sealants. Again, personal preferance.
Theres always going to be the battle between carnaubas and sealants. Again, personal preferance.
Miami_vice
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Does this sound like a good COMBO ?
Clay
Optimum Polish ( rotary LC POlishing pad )
RMG (pc)
Z2-Pro x 2
Natty's Blue x @
Clay
Optimum Polish ( rotary LC POlishing pad )
RMG (pc)
Z2-Pro x 2
Natty's Blue x @
Intercooled
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Miami_vice said:
You would need to do another step after RMG, ie: IPA wipe down or Zpc. Z2 needs to bond to a clean surface. RMG has fillers.
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Intercooled said:
true. but would'nt that be the case if i used RMG after Z2-Pro. Applying RMG after Z2pro wouldnt be wise. I have used Ex-P & UPP on top of RMG with no problem. Does the same Apply ?
imported_NHBFAN
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Miami_vice said:true. but would'nt that be the case if i used RMG after Z2-Pro. Applying RMG after Z2pro wouldnt be wise. I have used Ex-P & UPP on top of RMG with no problem. Does the same Apply ?
Nope Zaino is designed to be used with it's own "system". You maybe able to get away with AIO as a base though.
Miami_vice
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I guess ill stick to *Upp besides when you're a detail Junkie you want to Wax your car every month.
wannafbody said:
Not quite, partner. I've used plenty of products that alter the appearance of paint, but their appearance isn't the main attribute I look for to determine durability (or "bonding").
I guess, since your eyes tell you those things and completely disregard measurable attributes, you have a gift handed to you straight from God.
imported_memnuts
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White_F150 said:I have not found any product to protect better or last longer than Z2-Pro! As a matter of fact, when maintained with Z8, it seems to last almost "indefinetly"!
WORD!!!! :getdown
White_F150 said:I have not found any product to protect better or last longer than Z2-Pro! As a matter of fact, when maintained with Z8, it seems to last almost "indefinetly"!
Z8 also works amazingly well over Detailer's Pride's sealant and OCW. IMO, Z8 is worth having in your detailing arsenal if you use a sealant. It pretty much eliminates the need for a carnauba topper.