Most agressive product for use with PC?

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JMatt

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I have been using Meguiars #83, but it's just not getting to some of the worse scratches, and especially has trouble with water spot etching. Meguiar's doesn't recommend anything stronger than #83 for use with the PC.



I don't want to use a rotary buffer - don't own the buffer or the skills.



What products are people using that are the most agressivie with the PC?



I've seen SSR2.5 and even SSR3.0 kind of recommended, but I've read of pitting problems.

XMT#4 seems marketed for use with PC.

Optimum Compound - but I'm not sure if it's stronger than #83.

Presta Ultra Cutting Creme Light is getting rave reviews - is it stronger than #83?



Hopefully people can tell I used the search before wasting your time.



Can someone direct me to the strongest product for use with the PC?



(If it matters, my car is a black 1996 Porsche 911. It's pure black - no metallic at all. Base coat/Clear coat).



Most people would think the car looks awesome. Detailed inspections from perfectionists (everyone here?) would reveal hundreds of flaws.



Thanks in advance.
 
Here's a couple more to think about, Menzernza Power Gloss and Hi-Temp Extreme Cut. I've never experienced "pitting" with the SSR's, but 3 is like rocks in a bottle, and you need to break it down fully and follow with a lighter polish.



You don't mention what pad you are using, cutting, orange, polishing? Smaller (4") pads can help increase the effectiveness of the PC.
 
I find a cutting pad with #83 is pretty darn aggressive. So much so that I will need to follow with a finishing polish to remove the hazing left by #83.
 
What pads do you have at your disposal.....?



There are many factors that effect the situation... Menzerna IP and an orange LC pad would be my first choice......Several passes and overlap taking your time.....



If that didn't remove enough for your eyes, Presta Ultra Cutting Creme is more agressive...A yellow LC pad is also more agressive....
 
Thanks guys. I have all three Meguiar's pads. 7006, 8006, and 9006. I've been using the 8006.



I should have mentioned the Extreme cut. They don't seem as optimistic about using it with the PC though.



I have also thought about getting some 4" pads for the reason mentioned.



Also, I certainly understand that the more agressive compounds will need to be followed up with rfiner products. I already use #83, followed by #80, followed by a pure polish before getting to polymer sealant with a carnuba topper.



I think of this work as relaxation/therapy, so I certainly don't mind roughing up the finish then bringing it back step by step.



If I could completely level all orange peel with the PC, I would!
 
XMT4 is probably going to be the easiest to work with. It's developed around the use of the PC and leaves a very good finish. I still like to follow this with a finishing polish, but don't necessarily need to everytime (usually yes). I find that other compounds, like OC, leave a lot of micromarring that can be a pain to remove.
 
Setec nailed my two personal favorites. I've used HTEC and Menz Power Gloss with a yellow pad on PC speed 6 and then had to remove some slight marring as a result. I've also used 4" orange pads with these two products and found it to be very effective for some problem spots. Both of these approaches were within at least a 2 stage buff project i.e. fix the problem spots then buff out for gloss and shine for the entire vehicle. It is more work to fix this degree of paint condition with a PC but I have been fairly successful with altering the approach to 1.) more speed, 2.) increase to a cut product and 3.) proper pad selection. You question is related to #2 but don't forget #'s 1 and 3. Work the areas slowly and as previously mentioned overlap all motions with 90 degree passes.



I'm now almost 100% rotary and find it to be much more effective with less effort however I certainly understand your apprehension in going that route. It took me a while to gather up the cajones to switch to a rotary but found it VERY easy to get used to.



Good luck and stay with it my friend. Keep working the sections until you are satisfied. Although I don't know you personally I am confident YOU have the ability to do this with satisfying results. Trust me when I tell you that if I can do it I'm convinced almost anyone can!!!
 
For me, HT MC removes more imperfections than DACP, and leaves a better finish. I have also used the HT HC, and it has taken out some major damage while still finishing down very nicely. I have the HT EC, but I haven't had to use it yet. I highly recommend all of the HT compounds, I like them much better than the #83, #80 combo.
 
One more vote for the H-T EC. I've used it with 4" pads, worked great- quite aggressive. Others have used it with larger pads and reported good results.
 
Thanks for all the great responses guys!!!



I've now got some great new ideas. I'm going to buy a couple new products, some different pads (including 4" pads) and we'll see how much more improvement I can get.



Thanks again!
 
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My bad. I'm a newb here. Pardon my ignorance, but did HTEC stand for Hi Tiech Extreme Cut? I thought HTEC was some kind of generic abbreviation of Hi-Tech (like Megs for Meguiar's).



EDIT: Of course it's "Hi Temp - not Hi Tech." Dang I'm getting confused..... :doh
 
JMatt said:
My bad. I'm a newb here. Pardon my ignorance, but did HTEC stand for Hi Tiech Extreme Cut? I thought HTEC was some kind of generic abbreviation of Hi-Tech (like Megs for Meguiar's).



EDIT: Of course it's "Hi Temp - not Hi Tech." Dang I'm getting confused..... :doh
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that's cool

yes HTEC=Hi-Temp Extreme Cut
 
The most aggressive product I've used so far with my PC is Hi Temp Heavy cut leveler. It's worked very nicely for me, although I just recently realized that I had been using too much product which was causing for pretty tough removal and some pretty caked up pads.
 
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